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    1. Michael Tsai ‏@mjtsai Jul 18

      @jckarter bad decision. Whereas the framework client, without the ability to override, has no recourse.

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    2. Patrick Smith ‏@concreteniche Jul 18

      @mjtsai @jckarter Hopefully though those frameworks are using value types, where they don’t get the ability to subclass/override anyway

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    3. Patrick Smith ‏@concreteniche Jul 18

      @mjtsai @jckarter If framework authors used classes because clients are more comfortable and able to monkey patch, I think that’d be sad

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    4. Patrick Smith ‏@concreteniche Jul 18

      @mjtsai @jckarter AFAIK protocols would allow the most of same sorts of custom extending desired, and are explicitly designed to be so

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    5. Michael Tsai ‏@mjtsai Jul 18

      @concreteniche @jckarter Probably not as flexible. And changing classes to protocols doesn’t make the design/thinking issues go away.

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    6. Joe Groff ‏@jckarter Jul 18

      @mjtsai @concreteniche You can easily wrap a conforming type and patch or completely replace its conformance if you need to.

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    7. Michael Tsai ‏@mjtsai Jul 18

      @jckarter @concreteniche Yes, but patching from the outside is limited because you can’t override anything that’s not in the protocol.

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    8. Patrick Smith ‏@concreteniche Jul 18

      @mjtsai @jckarter That sounds like private methods though?

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    9. Michael Tsai ‏@mjtsai Jul 18

      @concreteniche @jckarter Yes, sometimes overriding private methods was (unfortunately) necessary. Already not possible with Swift.

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    10. Patrick Smith ‏@concreteniche Jul 18

      @mjtsai @jckarter Necessary for us to fix needs to become instead necessary for Apple & other framework authors to fix

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      Michael Tsai Verified account ‏@mjtsai Jul 18

      @concreteniche @jckarter That would be nice, but it doesn’t seem realistic to me. At least not on the time scale we need.

      6:21 PM - 18 Jul 2016
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      1. Patrick Smith ‏@concreteniche Jul 18

        @mjtsai @jckarter If this hinders innovation, then it’s up to Apple to find other solutions, make Radar more open and easier, be more rapid

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