Michael Tsai on Twitter: "@concreteniche @jckarter Probably not as flexible. And changing classes to protocols doesn’t make the design/thinking issues go away."

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Michael Tsai ‏@mjtsai Jul 18

@jckarter I mean in general—undocumented/unpromised subclassing details and non-subclassing-related bugs.
Joe Groff ‏@jckarter Jul 18

@mjtsai That's more important than technically-correct framework bug fixes or refactorings in a lot of cases.
Patrick Smith ‏@concreteniche Jul 18

@jckarter @mjtsai Could you almost say that some framework bugs were left unfixed because of easy work arounds being possible?
Patrick Smith ‏@concreteniche Jul 18

@jckarter @mjtsai Hopefully this will make it much easier for Apple to fix those framework bugs that are the actual source of pain
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Joe Groff ‏@jckarter Jul 18

@concreteniche @mjtsai I think it'll lead to a more robust third-party framework ecosystem, whatever Apple ends up doing.
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Michael Tsai ‏@mjtsai Jul 18

@jckarter If this is about 3rd party frameworks, the vendor can always put a breaking change in a new version. If necessary to reverse a
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Michael Tsai ‏@mjtsai Jul 18

@jckarter bad decision. Whereas the framework client, without the ability to override, has no recourse.
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Patrick Smith ‏@concreteniche Jul 18

@mjtsai @jckarter Hopefully though those frameworks are using value types, where they don’t get the ability to subclass/override anyway
Patrick Smith ‏@concreteniche Jul 18

@mjtsai @jckarter If framework authors used classes because clients are more comfortable and able to monkey patch, I think that’d be sad
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Patrick Smith ‏@concreteniche Jul 18

@mjtsai @jckarter AFAIK protocols would allow the most of same sorts of custom extending desired, and are explicitly designed to be so

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@concreteniche @jckarter Probably not as flexible. And changing classes to protocols doesn’t make the design/thinking issues go away.

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