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    1. Michael Tsai ‏@mjtsai Jul 18

      @jckarter @bsneed @colincornaby If it truly “doesn’t affect end users at all,” what could be the point of the change?

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    2. Joe Groff ‏@jckarter Jul 18

      Joe Groff Retweeted Joe Groff

      @mjtsai @bsneed @colincornabyhttps://twitter.com/jckarter/status/755149856994316288 …

      Joe Groff added,

      Joe Groff @jckarter
      @bsneed @colincornaby The default is all about making sure API authors don't make irrevocable mistakes without thinking about them.
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    3. Michael Tsai ‏@mjtsai Jul 18

      @jckarter Right, but presumably you expect that to ultimately benefit end users (indirectly).

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    4. Joe Groff ‏@jckarter Jul 18

      @mjtsai Users who are third-party framework devs I expect will benefit the most.

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    5. Peter Steinberger ‏@steipete Jul 18

      @jckarter @mjtsai In our SDK we re-built final with runtime checks in initialize and just assert to protect people from doing unwise things.

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    6. Joe Groff ‏@jckarter Jul 18

      @steipete @mjtsai That's quite a bit of work to do for every API, and requires a lot of runtime knowledge to do well correctly.

      0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    7. Friedrich Markgraf ‏@fzwob Jul 18

      @jckarter @steipete @mjtsai main problem with sealed-by-default: makes using stuff for unanticipated use case hard, thus stunts innovation.

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    8. Joe Groff ‏@jckarter Jul 18

      @fzwob @steipete @mjtsai Having to support bugs forever for compatibility also stifles innovation. There's tradeoffs.

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    9. Michael Tsai ‏@mjtsai Jul 18

      @jckarter I don’t understand why you have to support bugs (rather than the promised contract) forever. Why not warn like with deprecation?

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    10. Joe Groff ‏@jckarter Jul 18

      @mjtsai If subclassing is part of that contract, you have a lot more compatibility surface area to ensure subclassers don't break.

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      Michael Tsai Verified account ‏@mjtsai Jul 18

      @jckarter I mean in general—undocumented/unpromised subclassing details and non-subclassing-related bugs.

      5:21 PM - 18 Jul 2016
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        1. Joe Groff ‏@jckarter Jul 18

          @mjtsai That's more important than technically-correct framework bug fixes or refactorings in a lot of cases.

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        2. Patrick Smith ‏@concreteniche Jul 18

          @jckarter @mjtsai Could you almost say that some framework bugs were left unfixed because of easy work arounds being possible?

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        3. Patrick Smith ‏@concreteniche Jul 18

          @jckarter @mjtsai Hopefully this will make it much easier for Apple to fix those framework bugs that are the actual source of pain

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        5. Joe Groff ‏@jckarter Jul 18

          @concreteniche @mjtsai I think it'll lead to a more robust third-party framework ecosystem, whatever Apple ends up doing.

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        6. Michael Tsai ‏@mjtsai Jul 18

          @jckarter If this is about 3rd party frameworks, the vendor can always put a breaking change in a new version. If necessary to reverse a

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        7. Michael Tsai ‏@mjtsai Jul 18

          @jckarter bad decision. Whereas the framework client, without the ability to override, has no recourse.

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        8. Patrick Smith ‏@concreteniche Jul 18

          @mjtsai @jckarter Hopefully though those frameworks are using value types, where they don’t get the ability to subclass/override anyway

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        10. Patrick Smith ‏@concreteniche Jul 18

          @mjtsai @jckarter If framework authors used classes because clients are more comfortable and able to monkey patch, I think that’d be sad

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      1. Joe Groff ‏@jckarter Jul 18

        @mjtsai I see what you're saying. Ultimately, Apple and devs both want users' apps to keep working.

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