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Battery scientist and electrochemist, now working with all things Li-ion battery chemistry @ScaniaGroup 🇸🇪. Opinions are my own.

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    Matt Lacey‏ @mjlacey 17 Dec 2020

    One more(!) short thread on @QuantumScape $QS on energy density, since some were interested: based on new info last week, w/ direct scale up of where QS seems to be now gets ~300 Wh/kg, with getting to 400 Wh/kg dependent on increasing mAh/cm² and thinning the separator. /1pic.twitter.com/qjL7FyUTHy

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      2. Matt Lacey‏ @mjlacey 17 Dec 2020

        I've had to make some assumptions here obviously - mostly that QS can already make 20 μm separators (ARPA-E target; https://arpa-e.energy.gov/sites/default/files/documents/files/IONICS_ProgramOverview.pdf …), currently use NMC622, have a catholyte based on sulfolane (hinted in patents) and no performance loss from scale up... /2

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      3. Matt Lacey‏ @mjlacey 17 Dec 2020

        I'm also assuming they have or are utterly sure they can hit this ARPA-E target, esp considering Paul Albertus, director of the ARPA-E IONICS program, was in last week's panel, and QS + scientific advisors must know this is absolutely crucial for success /3

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      4. Matt Lacey‏ @mjlacey 17 Dec 2020

        With other 'typical' materials, and using other info they revealed, this is what I calculate (take with pinch of salt!) for 30x10 cm pouch cell with 41 stacked layers which in the first scenario gets the same 78 Ah as VW's existing MEB cell (sensible target, I think). /4

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      5. Matt Lacey‏ @mjlacey 17 Dec 2020

        Going to NMC811 and 4 mAh/cm² shouldn't be an issue and more Ni rich cathodes with higher capacity seem on the way (Tesla already use something with this performance). On that basis 365 Wh/kg is well in reach _if_ they are successful in scaling up. /5

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      6. Matt Lacey‏ @mjlacey 17 Dec 2020

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        Separator mass is ~25% of cell at this point, Volumetric energy could break above 1000 Wh/L however. Incidentally, following my recent catholyte thread, my model gives me ~65-70% less liquid electrolyte compared to typical Li-ion. /6https://twitter.com/mjlacey/status/1338138076133134337 …

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        QuantumScape's approach keeps some of this in the catholyte. But it eliminates it in the separator, the anode side, and probably the excess that most Li-ion batteries typically require. So the amount in the cell is reduced drastically - maybe up to 75% or more. 14/
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      7. Matt Lacey‏ @mjlacey 17 Dec 2020

        To reach 400 Wh/kg from here, the separator probably needs to be thinner. 12 μm is about what typical polymer separators are now. No comment on how easy/hard this will be... /7

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      8. Matt Lacey‏ @mjlacey 17 Dec 2020

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        I estimated ~350 Wh/kg back in September and I still end up around the same now, though maybe the route to 400 Wh/kg looks a little less difficult now. All of it depends on that mysterious separator though. Probably I'll come back to this as QS reveal more over time... /8https://twitter.com/mjlacey/status/1302313352333492226 …

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        Some additional thoughts and numbers on #QuantumScape. Long story short: my estimate is that an "anode-free" solid state cell should fetch ~350 Wh/kg, in the absence of some new miracle positive electrode. Bit lower than 380-480 Wh/kg QS have stated. Thread... 1/
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      1. Kevin Hinners‏ @kevinhinners 17 Dec 2020
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        Great thread Matt! It needed to be clear that $qs 1000Wh/l and 400 Wh/kg are projections, not current achievements. You've laid out the pathway, but I still don't think @quantumscapeco has been transparent about where they are on it; particularly on energy density.

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