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    1. Mircea Macavei‏ @mistermircea Sep 24
      Replying to @julianorobertrj @AndrewHQuin

      Do what? I am merely stating it is predictive to support my claim that it is objectively verifiable.

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    2. Robert E. Juliano  🔮 🎃 🍫 👻‏ @julianorobertrj Sep 24
      Replying to @mistermircea @AndrewHQuin

      Jung's typology was never intended to be used as a predictor of human behavior.

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    3. Mircea Macavei‏ @mistermircea Sep 24
      Replying to @julianorobertrj @AndrewHQuin

      I did not say it should.

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    4. Robert E. Juliano  🔮 🎃 🍫 👻‏ @julianorobertrj Sep 24
      Replying to @mistermircea @AndrewHQuin

      Then, why did you say "I have not found a more consistently predictive model for human behavior"?

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    5. Mircea Macavei‏ @mistermircea Sep 24
      Replying to @julianorobertrj @AndrewHQuin

      You misconstrued my statement. I said it is a predictive model, not a predictor, in the same way that weather forecasting is a predictive model for the weather.

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    6. Andrew‏ @AndrewHQuin Sep 24
      Replying to @mistermircea @julianorobertrj

      You cannot tell me what any given INFP will do tomorrow based off of their past behaviour. You can post-hoc rationalise their behavior for sure.

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    7. Mircea Macavei‏ @mistermircea Sep 24
      Replying to @AndrewHQuin @julianorobertrj

      The point is not what an individual does, but what an individual's cognitive makeup is. Given that knowledge, a reliable estimate of the general direction of their action can be made. Forecasting won't tell you the shape or position of a cloud, only if it will be there or not.

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    8. Andrew‏ @AndrewHQuin Sep 24
      Replying to @mistermircea @julianorobertrj

      'reliable estimate of the general direction'...I don't know why you are trying to insist on sneaking a scientific analysis into Jungian types...something can be be both useful and unscientific

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    9. Mircea Macavei‏ @mistermircea Sep 24
      Replying to @AndrewHQuin @julianorobertrj

      I am not claiming it is scientific. I am simply saying it works -in the real world- as a predictive model for behavior. As you said, something can be both useful and unscientific.

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    10. Andrew‏ @AndrewHQuin Sep 24
      Replying to @mistermircea @julianorobertrj

      Newtonian physics is predictive when it can point to where a certain planet will be visible at a certain time. This is what predictive means. Human behavior is too complex to ever be 'predictive'. People can have consistent habits of acting without being predictable.

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      Mircea Macavei‏ @mistermircea Sep 24
      Replying to @AndrewHQuin @julianorobertrj

      This is the reason I said predictive of behavior, and not predictive of action, or specific actions. We are in ageement - let's not argue semantics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavior 

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        2. Andrew‏ @AndrewHQuin Sep 24
          Replying to @mistermircea @julianorobertrj

          I would say that the main point here is that peoples behavior is habitual and so when habits are stable, Jungian types describe those habitual behavious by assigning functions to different flavours of behavior. Then the function stack can account for any abnormalities

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        3. Andrew‏ @AndrewHQuin Sep 24
          Replying to @AndrewHQuin @mistermircea @julianorobertrj

          Making it descriptively useful of mental phenomena, but ultimately unfalsifiable as a predictive model.

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        4. Joy Francis‏ @joy29d Sep 24
          Replying to @AndrewHQuin @mistermircea @julianorobertrj

          The function stack explaining abnormalities doesnt render the model unfalsifiable. If you know your type and can assess your behaviour honestly - you’ll see all sorts of falsifying evidence.

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        5. Andrew‏ @AndrewHQuin Sep 25
          Replying to @joy29d @mistermircea @julianorobertrj

          If you saw falsifying evidence you would stop using it as a credible model. Any totalising mental model must necessarily be unfalsifiable, otherwise you would stop using it. Survivorship bias

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        6. Joy Francis‏ @joy29d Sep 25
          Replying to @AndrewHQuin @mistermircea @julianorobertrj

          Falsifying evidence is not evidence that the model doesn’t work. It is evidence that how it works for one person is *not* how it will work for another person.

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        7. Andrew‏ @AndrewHQuin Sep 25
          Replying to @joy29d @mistermircea @julianorobertrj

          But...you don't have access to another's mind to see the falsifiable evidence 😁

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        8. Joy Francis‏ @joy29d Sep 25
          Replying to @AndrewHQuin @mistermircea @julianorobertrj

          I have access to mine and I can see the difference.

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        2. Robert E. Juliano  🔮 🎃 🍫 👻‏ @julianorobertrj Sep 24
          Replying to @mistermircea @AndrewHQuin

          Then, how do you address the very first pages in Jung's "Psychological Types" where he discusses the deliberate change of their superior functions by the early Church Fathers - Tertullian through the sacrificium intellectus and Origen through the sacrificium phalli?

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        3. Robert E. Juliano  🔮 🎃 🍫 👻‏ @julianorobertrj Sep 24
          Replying to @julianorobertrj @mistermircea @AndrewHQuin

          Their behaviors (keeping in mind the Wikipedia definition, though in an academic discussion, you should not use Wikipedia) were completely at odds with their type in that they followed Christ's example of the sacrificium.

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