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    1. Jim Wray‏ @JimWray 13 May 2018
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      I'm interested in your definition of lucid in the contexts you describe here. I thought lucid meant just being aware that one is actually dreaming. That alone doesn't stop reification. Something else is happening in your "lucid" if reification is dissolving. Are you aware of whathttps://twitter.com/anyane/status/995774013770100737 …

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      A shift into non-reification occurs when I recognize the absurdity of reacting to appearance as an observer or I become fully awake in the dream as a dream actor. The dream actor becomes lucid and gains control of the dream. The observer becomes lucid and the dreams dissolves.
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    2. hidden dragon‏ @anyane 14 May 2018
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      The dreamer, upon becoming aware that one is dreaming, knows both the dream participants and situations aren't real, so it dissolves. The dreamer has no emotional attachment to the dream. I think this is the key difference.

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    3. Jim Wray‏ @JimWray 14 May 2018
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      In a way this dissolving of the dream seems like an unintended consequence of partially waking up while in a dream. The dream participant on the other hand is able to keep the dream going knowing it is just a dream. Can you see dream as unreified display and keep it going too?

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    4. Dharmapoppins‏ @Dharmapoppins 14 May 2018
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      Thoughts on unreified display in dreams - what is the source of the imagery?

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    5. Jim Wray‏ @JimWray 15 May 2018
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      I haven't developed the ability to work with dreams. It's possible the image arises already reified due to the habitual nature of reification. It might be necessary to experience much unreified appearance to trigger an unreified appearance displayed in dream. Perhaps someone has

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    6. Mi'sen‏ @misen__ 15 May 2018
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      In my small amount of experience - when the dream appearances are actually recognised, the dream tends towards collapse into lucid dreamless sleep. I don’t know how long a lucid dream can hold itself together. Maybe it requires greater stability to maintain unreified dreams? 🤔

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    7. Jim Wray‏ @JimWray 15 May 2018
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      By lucid dreamless sleep you mean you are aware that you are sleeping? Is this like a clear display experience or is it a "sleeping only" display experience or anything else you can say about it. This is, as I understand it, a very advanced state of awareness to say the least. :)

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    8. Mi'sen‏ @misen__ 15 May 2018
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      By lucid dreamless I mean there is a vivid awareness but no dream ‘display’. The awareness itself isn’t ‘advanced’, its advanced when someone can access that state consistently, understand the significance, and it leads to insight which reduces suffering and improves behaviour.

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    9. Jim Wray‏ @JimWray 15 May 2018
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      So a question here is: Do you have any sense of awareness of "other" with the other being a blankness perhaps (ie a sense of duality), or do you have the sense that your awareness is non-dual with the "non-displaying" as perhaps an "awareClear" sense of awareness?

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      Mi'sen‏ @misen__ 16 May 2018
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      Not sure wym by ‘awareClear’, but there isn’t a dualistic split. The duality in lucid dreams is a gateway though eg: meeting the gaze of a dream character, you see ‘their’ awareness and ‘your’ awareness is exact same. Recognition is the catalyst for dream appearance dissolving.

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        2. Mi'sen‏ @misen__ 16 May 2018
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          Doesn’t have to be a character though - even just something like a nimitta/light as you’re falling asleep can do the same thing. It’s good that sleep practices are becoming more commonly talked about - because this stuff happens naturally anyway. Silly to ignore it for secrecy.

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        3. Mi'sen‏ @misen__ 16 May 2018
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          Important point of clarification: we should remember how far cognitive bias goes. Just because something walks and talks like non-dual awareness doesn’t make it non-dual awareness. The subtlety of mind states is v.nuanced, and ignorance is deep. I have much to learn on this.

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        1. Jim Wray‏ @JimWray 16 May 2018
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          1) See it's display. 2) Look in the Clear. 3) Notice awareness. 4) Identify with this awareness. The Clear and appearances seem other. 5) Immerse awareness in Clear. You find Awareness becomes the Clear while remaining aware. You experience being non-dual aware-Clear-Displaying.

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