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    1. Naked Singularity‏ @LapisAlienus 9 May 2018
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      the quote of Gray is his own, and the rest is from wiki - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gray_(philosopher) …

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    2. Mi'sen‏ @misen__ 9 May 2018
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      Well in that case I agree with whoever wrote that summary on the wiki page, and I also agree with Gray. I don’t think that is at all dependent on, or resultant of an ‘anti-communist’ stance.

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    3. Naked Singularity‏ @LapisAlienus 9 May 2018
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      No, you don't, but I do.

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    4. Mi'sen‏ @misen__ 9 May 2018
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      Fair enough. If you have the energy and inclination, I’d be happy to hear what leads you to that conclusion.

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    5. Naked Singularity‏ @LapisAlienus 9 May 2018
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      It's a question of agency. If we follow Gray and there is no volition, then there is no agency. If there's no agency, there's no responsibility and no taking of responsibility. If there's no taking of responsibility there's no communism. Another thing is Gray's right politics.

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      There being no agency and therefore being no taking of responsibility is logically incoherent. People can being 100% convinced of taking responsibility without having the free agency to do so. Then there is the question of taking-responsibility leading to +ve outcomes. Does it?

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    7. Naked Singularity‏ @LapisAlienus 9 May 2018
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      from a philosophical view agency and responsibility are very tightly connected. I challenge you to name a single professional philosopher who claims personal responsibility in the absence of agency. What do you mean by positive outcomes? Responsibility is not a choice.

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    8. Mi'sen‏ @misen__ 9 May 2018
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      And yes, I agree - agency and responsibility are very tightly connected. I don't deny this.

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    9. Naked Singularity‏ @LapisAlienus 9 May 2018
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      So if you don't deny that agency and responsibility are tightly connected, then what are you talking about? I can only think that you are talking about people who lie and try to make others believe they have no agency/responsibility by claiming it is illusional, delusional etc.

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    10. Mi'sen‏ @misen__ 9 May 2018
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      Listen dude, I'm playing on your servers here....I actually don't give two shakes of a frenchman's cock about Gray's anti-communism leading to his views about capitalism being the literal end of history, because agency or not I think he's largely right in his claim about humanity

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      I'm pretty open to being wrong on any of this, I'm not a philosopher. But I don't think you've quite made it clear how his views on communism result in his claims that humanity will wipe itself out. That is completely non-obvious to me, and not clarified by your point on agency.

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        2. Mi'sen‏ @misen__ 9 May 2018
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          As I said, I'm open to being wrong. I'm pretty soft in the head so I'm wrong a lot. That's just fine, it is what it is. 😅

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        3. Naked Singularity‏ @LapisAlienus 9 May 2018
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          There are people who believe in omniscient beings #onhere, you're right, but I'm not one of them. Okay, let's say capitalism means the end of history, literally, in the sense that it will wipe humanity out (and the majority of extant species of flora and fauna).

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