For sure you can feel cosmic when you keep your attention on awareness w/out objects, but I’d contend that’s a samadhi effect as the brain tries to parse aconceptual awareness as it’s experienced.
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Sorry to be so abrupt. I’m trying to make that the old me, but it squeezes back through every now and then.
No need to say sorry Jody. I respect the position you and Chagmé are coming from; I just think we can be more adult about meditation practice. I’m sympathetic to the ‘so what’ school of thought - and yet taking that as a blanket approach might be a massive flaw in training.
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In fact, I’d say it’s a missed opportunity to not ignore it. It’s a different feature than the normal distracting thoughts and sensations, and thus affords a chance to lock in focus in a more rigorous setting, like jogging with leg weights.
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Sure, in that context of practice that could be a perfectly reasonable way to train. One could also do the exact opposite and open to the full vividness of subjective space-time in all its bizarre co-emergent transient glory. Both could be valid approaches, among others
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I’m sensitive to the fact is it by the descriptions of their awesome meditation experiences that many if not most false gurus gain converts.
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I’m not getting how it’s a flaw. If meditation is about making the attentional function more acute, then bringing attention back to focus instead of experiencing elaborate visio-sensate perceptual constructions seems to be the best option.
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who mentioned a "so what" approach to phenomenal arising?
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That was an oblique reference on my part. I took a phrase used by Trungpa - illustrative of his general attitude to ‘meditative experiences’ - and used that to demarcate a whole set of attitudes found cross-traditionally, where all experience is just experience, so, ‘so what’.
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