Mi'sen

I'm really not clear why so many spiritual types are convinced that everything dies with the body and use eternal as a criticism. The body dies, stuff dies with it, but that everything dies, not justified imo.

Sure - but I’ve met plenty of people who take the possibility of something not dying, and cling onto it with a death-grip, thus driving their behaviour and beliefs in all sorts of funny directions. It actually amplifies their suffering and anxiety. It can remain open hypothesis.

There is a point, in my experience, where you will "find out". That said, all bodies are bodies, whether physical or not, and they will all end.

Find out what, exactly? Say more please Ian. I’m not jousting here (just for twitter clarity). I’m a comparative religion geek, so I’m open to the plurality of mystical interpretation. Just curious

whether there is something more than the physical body & thus something that continues. (I'm not talking "the witness" but non meat bodies.) It's often considered bad form/not useful to talk about such things, however because they lead to the attachments you mention.

the problem is that being attached to your spirit/subtle body/ka/bibop... whatever, is still not enlightenment. It makes you a wizard or shaman or whatever, but not enlightened. There are a lot of very advanced mystics who have made this mistake.

if you want the non-meat stuff, then go down the paths that offer it. The top level of taoist meditation is about this; the Hindus offer it thru Kundalini and Kriya Yoga among others and the Tibetans have a ton of this stuff (and it causes great problems.)

‘causes great problems’ - for the practitioner, or did you mean for the tradition, with regards to orthodoxy? Fwiw, I train predominantly in a kagyu-nyingma lineage. Although others have had a big influence on my practice.