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An interesting observation this evening in a conversation where "getting old" was a topic, yet the concept seemed difficult to relate to in the context of unchanging experiencing. I suddenly realized I had actually become identified with being this unchanging display experiencing

Do you see this as a potential ‘eternalistic’ pitfall - a denial of your basic humanity - or is this identification something you find is helpful and desirable? Does your model rely on some sort of continuity of ‘clear’ after human body dies? Thanks Jim. Always interesting!

I'm really not clear why so many spiritual types are convinced that everything dies with the body and use eternal as a criticism. The body dies, stuff dies with it, but that everything dies, not justified imo.

Sure - but I’ve met plenty of people who take the possibility of something not dying, and cling onto it with a death-grip, thus driving their behaviour and beliefs in all sorts of funny directions. It actually amplifies their suffering and anxiety. It can remain open hypothesis.

There is a point, in my experience, where you will "find out". That said, all bodies are bodies, whether physical or not, and they will all end.

Find out what, exactly? Say more please Ian. I’m not jousting here (just for twitter clarity). I’m a comparative religion geek, so I’m open to the plurality of mystical interpretation. Just curious

whether there is something more than the physical body & thus something that continues. (I'm not talking "the witness" but non meat bodies.) It's often considered bad form/not useful to talk about such things, however because they lead to the attachments you mention.