I improved my cognition around romantic jealousy to feel it less. That's "bad" because: emotions make us feel alive, show the person you care, help us bond with other jealous people. It's bizarrely complicated and part of an interconnected system. Do I want to model my behavior?
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Hmm, haven't done the podcast transcript yet, and not quite sure I follow what you're responding to... did you get the sense that I was / we were encouraging people to feel "less" emotion, in some way?
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No. You talked about various frameworks to respond to and view emotions. I was just adding that it's impossibly complicated. You didn't claim any were 'correct'.
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Oh, yah -- getting emotions "right" is definitely impossibly complicated. Being with the experience is sort of "simple," in that it's what happens anyway, and you can also dive deep into the dance of complexity/awareness, and come out the other side into flow.
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Replying to @SarahAMcManus @ShapesOfEmpathy and
Oh, hold up -- I mean, experiencing something is simple, in that it's what happens anyhow; "being with" the experience actually does involve a kind of differentiation / meta move -- for example, self-accompaniment, like what Sarah Peyton talks about in Your Resonant Self
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There is one modality that we mentioned that I think would claim to be ultimately correct and that's the Dzogchen approach... (but this one is a culmination of deep insight so not very broadly accessible). Seeing the perfect nature of any and all experience.
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Yes, but don't you think people who pursue that route have more muted emotions?
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As far as I know, folks usually go through Tantric practices as part of Dzogchen? Tantra is not muted. Rather the opposite:https://vividness.live/2012/08/05/our-buddhism-goes-to-eleven/ …
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Replying to @SarahAMcManus @ShapesOfEmpathy and
You may very likely be confusing "Sutric" approaches to Buddhism, with the Tantra / Dzogchen approaches:https://roamresearch.com/#/app/HowToHuman/page/IDGbGk8JJ …
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The tricky part is that Dzogchen can include Sutra but from my POV it transcends and includes it... along with Tantra. But since it Dzochen I suppose it could also exclude Tantra or Sutra... it's all quite nebulous.
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I'm curious, what do you mean by 'include Sutra'? (I could guess what you might mean, but that would be a projection on my part)
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Replying to @misen__ @SarahAMcManus and
From my POV it seems that Sutric method is still accessible from a Dzog perspective.
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Replying to @JaredJanes @SarahAMcManus and
That makes your intended meaning clearer, thanks. FWIW, I've never heard a teacher claim to the contrary.
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