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    1. Kaj Sotala‏ @xuenay Feb 23
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      Shifting into the observer stance, to me, has an element of "changing position". I move slightly apart from my experience, hanging out somewhere separate from it. So when I read "do the same thing again", my mind implicitly interpreted that as "move further out still".

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    2. Kaj Sotala‏ @xuenay Feb 23
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      But shifting further out would just be changing the position of the observer. What's needed is to stay in place and let your mind shift its *interpretation* of what having the sense of the observer *means*, so that the sensation doesn't change but you just don't identify with it.

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    3. Kaj Sotala‏ @xuenay Feb 23
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      This feels like it's a qualitative change compared to what was needed before; previously you could work with changing your mental sensations. Now you keep them the same, but let your mind change their meaning. At least for me, it required coming up with something different.

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    4. Kaj Sotala‏ @xuenay Feb 23
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      This raises the obvious question: isn't changing your interpretation of your mental sensations, also changing your mental sensations? I think yes and no.

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    5. Kaj Sotala‏ @xuenay Feb 23
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      Yes: it changes your conscious experience. No: you can tell the goal-oriented, intellectual parts of your mind to change the position of the observer. That is something they can imagine, and thus execute. But that requires identification: I will move from here to there.

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    6. Kaj Sotala‏ @xuenay Feb 23
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      You cannot tell the goal-oriented parts of your mind to stop identifying. They will think "I will move from identifying to not identifying". That thought includes an I, making it structurally impossible to succeed at a task where the goal state is to have no "I".

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    7. Kaj Sotala‏ @xuenay Feb 23
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      I think I chanced upon the correct mode of thought a year and a half ago; unfortunately my mind correctly inferred that I cannot intentionally get back to that state, because trying to intentionally get back there defeats the point. So I stopped trying, and didn't get back.

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    8. Kaj Sotala‏ @xuenay Feb 23
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      Do-nothing meditation has been useful, but I now realize I've often had a goal-oriented part running while I've been doing it, trying to make me "meditate right". And "shifting the sense of the observer further out" has been one of the things it has been trying to do.

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    9. Mi'sen‏ @misen__ Feb 23
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      Replying to @xuenay

      I enjoyed reading this exploration of a subtle point in practice It’s interesting how different traditions work around this, some make heavy use of guru yoga, some use short preliminary meditations (such as letting mind look at mind until it awareness cuts through)

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    10. Mi'sen‏ @misen__ Feb 23
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      Some traditions go to great lengths to try to wear out the part of us that is goal oriented in practice, going some seemingly bizarre meditations until we finally start to grok what it means to actually relax in the ‘essence of the heart’, as those teachings might word it.

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      I suspect that what the formulaic practices can miss out on a bit is the honest frustration with our constant attempts to grasp onto some secure ground, one way or another (a sort of spiritual materialism)

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