I think it might be a vibe thing. Like, I think EY might be incapable of coming across as anything other than Rat Lord.
Cuz when I read more Chapman and when I reread the sequences, I agree with @yashkaf that Eliezer is the og post rat
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Dead serious Go look at the group photo from LWCW 2019 Count the number of plush toys Yes, plush toys Yes, in the official group photo No, these are adults The significant difference between LW and Chapman is not about empirical beliefs https://www.facebook.com/events/510332516175832/ …
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Yeah, I think it's a vibe or "cognitive style" thing. Rationalists seem characterized in large part by "autistic" style incredible sensitivity to their own imaginations, hence urgency to save the world, obsession with ex risk, and need for careful thinking / safety.
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Post-rats have a more 'dissociated' vibe in my experience, or otherwise more likely to be further along the spiritual path.
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Why is this dissociated vibe a sign of development? I don't think I'm capable of taking ideas as seriously as Eliezer does, of keeping the same single-minded focus, of changing my life and habits by the force of pure reason. But I consider this a weakness, not a sign of progress.
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I disagree with both of you. Post-rats ought to be less traumatised ie more embodied therefore rejecting EY's "autistic" (ie traumatised) vibe. Why is it good to not change your life 'Based On Reason'? Because you get eaten
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Do you think that Eliezer and other prominent EAs/rationalists (e.g. Luke M, Anna S, Julia G) are actually autistic and traumatized? Or is this just a way to sneak in a disparaging connotation to people focusing on fixing the world before fixing every last bit of their emotions?
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It's fine to focus on healing your own traumas and your own spiritual development, especially if it comes from a place of humility about the entire project. But it's not very enlightened to sneer at people who choose not to do that, and whose internal lives you know little about.
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Well it could be enlightened if your version allows for asshole behaviour (mine does), but it doesn’t make it any less of a dumb way of phrasing it. But linguistic sloppiness aside, I know what silver means, even if trauma and autism are functionally distinct.
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Although I just read your replies so I don’t think we’re talking about the same thing here anyway. Carry on.
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