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I like to sit on my arse and relax. Genially mad. Romancing neurotypicals.

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    1. Rival Voices‏ @nosilverv Feb 10
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      Chapman points about meta-rationality are obviously right and correct and also somehow not taken by Eliezer or his followers. I wonder to what extent that queasiness is sociopolitical in its cause.

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    2. Hazard (a.k.a Twirl)‏ @natural_hazard Feb 10
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      I think it might be a vibe thing. Like, I think EY might be incapable of coming across as anything other than Rat Lord. Cuz when I read more Chapman and when I reread the sequences, I agree with @yashkaf that Eliezer is the og post rat

      3 replies 0 retweets 14 likes
    3. Mechanical Monk‏ @mechanicalmonk1 Feb 11
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      Replying to @natural_hazard @nosilverv @yashkaf

      Mechanical Monk Retweeted eigenrobot

      "Conan! What are postrats?"https://twitter.com/eigenrobot/status/1226519180863606784?s=20 …

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      rats who fuck
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    4. Mechanical Monk‏ @mechanicalmonk1 Feb 11
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      Replying to @mechanicalmonk1 @natural_hazard and

      Dead serious Go look at the group photo from LWCW 2019 Count the number of plush toys Yes, plush toys Yes, in the official group photo No, these are adults The significant difference between LW and Chapman is not about empirical beliefs https://www.facebook.com/events/510332516175832/ …

      3 replies 0 retweets 11 likes
    5. Flower Ornament‏ @msutherl Feb 11
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      Yeah, I think it's a vibe or "cognitive style" thing. Rationalists seem characterized in large part by "autistic" style incredible sensitivity to their own imaginations, hence urgency to save the world, obsession with ex risk, and need for careful thinking / safety.

      1 reply 0 retweets 10 likes
    6. Flower Ornament‏ @msutherl Feb 11
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      Replying to @msutherl @mechanicalmonk1 and

      Post-rats have a more 'dissociated' vibe in my experience, or otherwise more likely to be further along the spiritual path.

      1 reply 0 retweets 12 likes
    7. Cloistering Jacob‏ @yashkaf Feb 11
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      Replying to @msutherl @mechanicalmonk1 and

      Why is this dissociated vibe a sign of development? I don't think I'm capable of taking ideas as seriously as Eliezer does, of keeping the same single-minded focus, of changing my life and habits by the force of pure reason. But I consider this a weakness, not a sign of progress.

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    8. Rival Voices‏ @nosilverv Feb 11
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      Replying to @yashkaf @msutherl and

      I disagree with both of you. Post-rats ought to be less traumatised ie more embodied therefore rejecting EY's "autistic" (ie traumatised) vibe. Why is it good to not change your life 'Based On Reason'? Because you get eaten

      1 reply 0 retweets 8 likes
    9. Cloistering Jacob‏ @yashkaf Feb 11
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      Replying to @nosilverv @msutherl and

      Do you think that Eliezer and other prominent EAs/rationalists (e.g. Luke M, Anna S, Julia G) are actually autistic and traumatized? Or is this just a way to sneak in a disparaging connotation to people focusing on fixing the world before fixing every last bit of their emotions?

      4 replies 0 retweets 15 likes
    10. Cloistering Jacob‏ @yashkaf Feb 11
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      Replying to @yashkaf @nosilverv and

      It's fine to focus on healing your own traumas and your own spiritual development, especially if it comes from a place of humility about the entire project. But it's not very enlightened to sneer at people who choose not to do that, and whose internal lives you know little about.

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      Mi'sen‏ @misen__ Feb 11
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      Replying to @yashkaf @nosilverv and

      Well it could be enlightened if your version allows for asshole behaviour (mine does), but it doesn’t make it any less of a dumb way of phrasing it. But linguistic sloppiness aside, I know what silver means, even if trauma and autism are functionally distinct.

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        2. Rival Voices‏ @nosilverv Feb 11
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          yea the "enlightened" bit makes me feel this guy doesn't know what im about nor does he care he just thinks he's in a political fight and is being political yes i know very little about everyone's internal live except mine, congratulations

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        3. Cloistering Jacob‏ @yashkaf Feb 11
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          Ok, bad adjective, I was running against the 280 limit. Look, my main objection is not some abstract argument, but the dozens of happy, healthy, and productive people I know who work or donate 10% to EA/x-risk and think that the Sequences are the bees knees.

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        1. Mi'sen‏ @misen__ Feb 11
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          Replying to @misen__ @yashkaf and

          Although I just read your replies so I don’t think we’re talking about the same thing here anyway. Carry on.

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