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I like to sit on my arse and relax. Genially mad. Romancing neurotypicals.

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    1. David R. MacIver‏ @DRMacIver Jan 10
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      I feel like maybe you don't understand the role labelling is playing for people?

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    2. David R. MacIver‏ @DRMacIver Jan 10
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      The 2020 option is what most people who strongly identify with a label were doing before they had that label. It's painful and exhausting unless you can easily pass off what you were going to do anyway as acceptable to the mainstream.

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    3. David R. MacIver‏ @DRMacIver Jan 10
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      If you let other people label you then the labels you end up with are rarely nice ones.

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    4. Rival Voices‏ @nosilverv Jan 10
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      what about 'artist'?

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    5. David R. MacIver‏ @DRMacIver Jan 10
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      People generally don't apply the word "artist" to you until long after you've succeeded, and many artists feel the need to claim the label for themself long before anyone will give it to them.

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    6. Rival Voices‏ @nosilverv Jan 10
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      right. maybe you can pick the label for defensive legibility reason. i meant to say believing it and acting from it first is misguided

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    7. David R. MacIver‏ @DRMacIver Jan 10
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      Yeah but https://twitter.com/DRMacIver/status/1213829496127795200 … It's not necessarily that people believe it, it's that the way the social feedback loops work reward you for complying with your label and punish you for deviating from it, but the default label is "normal person" so you're shafted either way.

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      The feedback loops between category, community, and identity are wild.
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    8. Mi'sen‏ @misen__ Jan 11
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      The strength of psycho-social feedback loops is pretty amazing, but you can undermine a significant amount of the conditioned responsiveness to the category mechanism, such that it has much less impact on you. There are risks though, such as careening into perceived social death.

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    9. Mi'sen‏ @misen__ Jan 11
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      This is one reason why meditator types who try to go it alone have a much lower survival rate - you need other people who have gone through the process of disentangling from cultural contexts to support you, and make the space between worlds seem safe & sane.

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    10. Rival Voices‏ @nosilverv Jan 11
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      I wonder how much faster I could go with a sangha. It's so not my style that it might be exactly what i need

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      Mi'sen‏ @misen__ Jan 11
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      I feel like there are workarounds, like a good mentor or that sort of thing. Sangha can have all sorts of messy impact (see @_awbery_’s discussion of preference falsification in dysfunctional community, I can’t remember where that was though 🤷‍♂️)

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        1. Charlie Awbery‏ @_awbery_ Jan 11
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          Maybe thinking of this transcript from my podcast with @DeconstructingU . I haven’t written about it yet but it may be worth elaborating into a page at some point. Seems obvious though?https://twitter.com/_awbery_/status/1165270210804363265?s=20 …

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          Toward the end of the podcast we get on to the failure mode of guru abuse in Vajrayana and other systems. 12/n pic.twitter.com/ffvgElqaAQ
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