Mi'sen

Looking forward to your discussion of cessations with Daniel. As I mentioned when we talked about this in person, this is not part of the meditation systems I’ve practiced. However, it’s a covered in detail in the bardo teachings. I’m curious whether there’s commonality there.

I would guess that it's exactly the same phenomenon, but would be interested and open to learning that it's something different. There's a lot of confusion around similar terms meaning different things in these realms.

Is there an explicit equation in Theravada of cessations in meditation with the stages of the death and rebirth experiences?

FWIW, there are several things in Vajrayana lineages which sound a lot like Therevadan cessation - but I don’t know enough directly to be able to add much to the different/same phenomenology debate There’s also the matter of metaphysics and phenomenology getting muddled.

It’s interesting how attitudes towards the in/significance of cessation changed over the development of dzogchen lineages. I’d like to learn more about the history of how the metaphysics/phenomenology developed with different practices...but I suspecct the history isn’t there.

Is this in the bardo literature, or elsewhere? Pointers? Tx

I was thinking of some references in a few namthars and pith instruction texts. I was thinking of mostly this sort of thing:https://twitter.com/misen__/status/1053336842697875457?s=21 …

Ah! Hmm. This is interesting for the explicit use of the word “cessation”… I’ve read and heard similar warnings in Dzogchen contexts, but I had interpreted them somewhat differently. (It’s probably pointless to try to discuss this on twitter, but…) >