Are there any accounts of "emptiness", preferably purely phenomenological/methodological, that don't presume a contentious metaphysics?
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Replying to @FateOfTwist_
“The absence of thought with the presence of awareness” seems relatively unproblematic. (Although the possibility if rhat is denied by some major philosophers.) Nb I don’t particularly advocate that definition, just noting it as reasonably inoffensive metaphysically
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Replying to @Meaningness
What do you not like about it, that it is in some sense misleading (like given differing interpretations of what "thought" is), or that it is outright false/there is more to it?
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Replying to @FateOfTwist_
Well “emptiness” is just a word. There’s 2000 years of arguments about “what it really means” (in the absence of a philosophy of language that would dissolve that question). Different thinkers have given it quite different interpretations.
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Replying to @Meaningness @FateOfTwist_
Some of the meanings-in-use of “emptiness” are pretty clearly wrong; many are too vague or self-contradictory to do much work for us. Others might be importantly functional, but they’re hard to separate from their history of use and apply in a different context.
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Replying to @Meaningness @FateOfTwist_
I avoid “emptiness,” and use the word “nebulosity” as a coined alternative, in order to point at a more-specific thing, which is one I think is important, and which is at least in the penumbra of some senses of “emptiness” in the literature.
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Replying to @Meaningness @FateOfTwist_
David, whilst you’re thinking around this topic: You cite Beacon of Certainty as a key influence for the Meaningness project, and explained a bit about why you use ‘nebulosity’ instead of ‘emptiness’. Does your use of ‘fluid mode’ have a similar relationship to ‘coalescence’?
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Replying to @misen__ @FateOfTwist_
Yes-ish, although I didn’t have the specific word “coalescence” in mind as far as I recall. Interesting similarity, though! I don’t even remember which word Pettit translated as “coalescence”, and don’t have the text where I am now, so I can’t check.
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Ah ok. It's his translation of zung jug, as in nonduality of saṃvṛtisatya and paramārthasatya...but the context in which Mipham uses it (something like zung jug yeshe, gnosis of nonduality of form/emptiness) is a rabbit hole in itself. I was just curious re: use of fluidity.
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