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I like to sit on my arse and relax. Genially mad. Romancing neurotypicals.

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    1. Matthew O'Connell‏ @Sciamanoinglese 13 Jun 2019
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      Of course, but some serious rethinking is required.https://soundcloud.com/imperfect-buddha-podcast/52-ibp-critical-turn-1 …

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    2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 13 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @Sciamanoinglese @OortCloudAtlas @erik_davis

      Yes. Excellent point. In fact I was going to go on to rant about that but figured everyone had had more than enough ranting already

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    3. Michael W Taft‏ @OortCloudAtlas 14 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @Meaningness @Sciamanoinglese @erik_davis

      More rants.

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    4. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 14 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @OortCloudAtlas @Sciamanoinglese @erik_davis

      I was going to say that Buddhist innovation has always started with a creative misreading of scripture. You need to understand what problem the author was trying to solve in their historical context, and find an analogy with the problem you have in your historical context.

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    5. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 14 Jun 2019
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      (This requires understanding scripture as written by people struggling with historically-situated cultural problems, rather than Ultimate Truths From God. I think most Buddhist innovators, going back 2000+ years, have at least semi-understood this.)

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    6. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 14 Jun 2019
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      So you deliberately misread the text as suggesting solutions to your different problem. If there’s a structural analogy that works, this is productive. Especially when you try to turn it into a new way of meditating.

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    7. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 14 Jun 2019
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      Exhibit A is the invention of modern meditation by creatively misreading Pali Abhidhamma, which is speculative metaphysics, as if it were meditation instructions, which it isn’t.

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    8. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 14 Jun 2019
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      In a close parallel, early tantra was invented in large part by misreading Mahayana Buddhological metaphysics as meditation instructions. (It’s interesting to speculate about why this worked, in both cases, but it would just be speculation…)

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    9. Mi'sen‏ @misen__ 14 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @Meaningness @OortCloudAtlas and

      Do you have any ideas for how the visionary/terma type innovation fits in to this creative misreading? Pragmatic post-hoc justification?

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    10. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 14 Jun 2019
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      I think it’s inseparable. As @OortCloudAtlas mentioned in the podcast, the people who invented modern Theravadan meditation were doing just like tertons, sitting in caves and having visions of dakinis who gave them the practices.

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      Mi'sen‏ @misen__ 14 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @Meaningness @OortCloudAtlas and

      Took me a couple of minutes to make the connection, but that makes sense.

      9:51 AM - 14 Jun 2019
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        2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 14 Jun 2019
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          You need to dissociate to locate the productive analogy. Like Kekulé’s dream of the snake.

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        3. Mi'sen‏ @misen__ 14 Jun 2019
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          Replying to @Meaningness @OortCloudAtlas and

          Oh yeah, that's a great example of how symbol/analogy can work in innovation. Nice.

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