So if anyone wants to talk about how they anecdotally climbed outta 4.5 into literally anywhere else: go off, man.https://twitter.com/Meaningness/status/808405028931178496 …
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Same as any stage: find hidden assumptions, undermine them. I don't like this particular framework, though. Human relationship to systematic rationality seems inherently unrelated to human experience of meaning, unless caught within certain ideological frameworks.
I wonder what the relationship is between nihilism as a 'fixed stance', and the stage @meaningness is describing specifically re: formal rationality -> metarationality.
eg: I almost certainly don't do metarationality, but I can remember learning how to not get stuck in nihilism.
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Also fwiw, I think there are useful distinctions to be made between emotions about systems, depression, and nihilism as a fixed stance in relationship to meaning/s
I recently started re-reading bits of David's writing, so I might be a foggy.Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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But you're a chef! Of course you're doing metarationality. Cooking is one of the things I think of as paradigmatic of that mode.
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I’m not a chef, although I’m a fairly decent cook and have worked in kitchens. Interesting that you made that connection though....I guess I have more to learn about metarationality, if that’s true.
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I think I know what "stage 4.5 nihilism" is referring to, but it seems to apply to every "belief" rather than the entirety of one's self (i.e. you can undermine a fixed and hard belief without awareness of the space of alternatives, and feel stuck)...
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So for any line of systematic thought, you can get stuck in a nihilistic stance w.r.t the failures of whichever system you're convinced works best, and then overcome it by "going meta", but this is a v different experience than the Kegan stage progression, so confusing.
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