This is why you need _personal_ guidance from competent guide/s. One could spend years and years stuck in subtle habits of mind without knowing it, or w/o knowing how to work with things in practice to lead to liberating insight, instead of falling into restful/deluded states.
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Note to self: It is a much more palatable narrative that mind is resting in empty-awareness, than one has been relaxing into a subtle dullness. Do not settle for rest. Cut through delusion, with the key instruction: Look! Look until the illusory castle of ignorance collapses.
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Replying to @original_chills @charlie_p_w
As someone said to me, it's not a bad place to get stuck, and is a sign of a maturing onsoght, but it is easy to cling on to an idea of practicing in a relaxed way instead of actually going much deeper. This advice was also context/practice dependant, so there's that.
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It’s an occasional problem for me, especially if I practice just before bed when I’m restful/tired anyway.
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Replying to @original_chills @charlie_p_w
Practicing when tired is one of my favourites, especially as you go to sleep in bed....lots of fun & insight to be found there! I suppose there's no point making a big deal of it....because you just get all serious and up-tight, which is probably much worse than being lazy
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Replying to @misen__ @charlie_p_w
can you share some useful heuristics to help a meditator distinguish dull calm sleepy states with wakefulness?
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Replying to @chagmed @charlie_p_w
That's a good question but at present I'm thinking that it's really quite hard to generalise. Tricky, because someone could be calm/sleepy but v.wakeful/aware, likewise someone could feel like experience is clear, open, vivid; yet be stuck in a subtle dullness.
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Can you think of any heuristics which are (fairly) broadly applicable, Chagme?
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