Yes…particularly re the language. I agree that the language of the framework within which one practices both prescribes and interprets experience. (There is always a framework tho is not always obvious or understood by the person practising).
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And there is substantial qualitative difference across methodologies, even though the same practice labels might be used.
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Yeah, I’ve been having a number of chats recently with senior practitioners/teachers and there seems to be a big issue around language, and a general lack of semantic maturity. One person I spoke to also highlighted issues between oral tradition and textual sources (in teaching)
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The qualitative differences across methodologies is also a really good point. Even where the phenomenology of a state/stage/insight sounds very close across traditions, the value & interpretations relating to that can be really different, and a source of much confusion.
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Yes, I think this is important. Worldview from one tradition or another can radically change what a practice means, or what you should/can do with it.
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And that’s in addition to practices themselves being superficially similar, but subtly different in methodology, or sometimes even radically different in direction/outcome despite superficial starting points.
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Seem to be quite liberal with my radicallys today.
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Ha. I seem to be radically liberal with my quites, as it happens. Also, thank you for the food for thought re: practices which are superficially similar but functionally divergent.
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It seems limited, but helpful to notice these subtleties as points of reference in thinking/talking about this stuff. Someone I respect very much is currently working a lot on the relationship between oral instruction and manuals, so I've been reflecting on this stuff a little.
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thank you both for your points of view. distinction btw oral instruction, manuals particularly important today, as I know some who don't work with a teacher, but rely exclusively on translated manuals
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Yes, going by manuals without personal guidance leaves enormous room for error. I suspect that is the case in all traditions, but most of my training has been in a kagyu-nyingma lineage, where personal guidance via oral instruction is the beating heart of the tradition.
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Yup, same here. (ie, re the importance of personal instruction, also core practice in the Aro gTér, which is Nyingma as you know.)
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