Mi'sen

The mere idea of ‘functional pivots’, can act as a functional pivot, although as I’m not a _believer_ they don’t behave the way Carse suggests of extreme versions of conviction. They’re like points in thinky-space which can be pinned or let go of....they can be structural or not

I vaguely assume that we can never really escape beliefs....they’re part of the fabric of our experience. Question is, how can we think about belief in ways which allow people to move from conviction (in Carse’s usage) to the “higher ignorance” of uncertainty?

a belief would be a self belief, eg "the earth is flat means I am a flat earther." take the "I am" out of the equation.

I feel like that's helpful — particularly in meditate/awareness trainings — but possibly leaves a lot of blind spots; beliefs lurking in the shadows. I may have misunderstood what you mean, of course.

I am not "the meditator." entity not found.

Yes, I personally find that way of talking elegant, helpful, enriching and so on. I'm also open to the possibility that much of what gets sold as gnosis/vidya are subtle — albeit elegant — belief systems, which is fine if the system tends to openness instead of closing off.

of course whatever is said is belief. some sayings convey understanding, some don’t. “love your neighbor” is a belief.

seems that some Buddhists (among others) in an effort to favor science over religion, will claim to be free of all beliefs. that can be questioned like everything else.