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    1. Mi'sen‏ @misen__ 5 Feb 2019
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      Replying to @cognazor @euvieivanova @jgreenhall

      Yeah, I suppose I’m less interested in the ontic/metaphysic understanding of free-will, than I am in what happens when people take those positions as functional pivots in their world-image. It’s amazing how sticky some ideas are, @chagmed can tell you all about that though.pic.twitter.com/ooCYbw3xdO

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    2. Mi'sen‏ @misen__ 5 Feb 2019
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      Replying to @misen__ @cognazor and

      I’m not sure what sovereignty without belief in free will would look like....but I’m open to that possibility. Perhaps sovereignty just isn’t a story I’m that sold on; but I can see why people would like it or find it useful.

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    3. Euvie Ivanova‏ @euvieivanova 5 Feb 2019
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      Are you familiar with sovereignty as @jgreenhall describes it? It's quite different from the libertarian notion of free will. https://medium.com/deep-code/on-jordan-peterson-and-the-future-51402a370d79 …

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    4. Mi'sen‏ @misen__ 5 Feb 2019
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      Replying to @euvieivanova @cognazor and

      Thanks for the link.

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    5. Euvie Ivanova‏ @euvieivanova 6 Feb 2019
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      Replying to @misen__ @cognazor and

      As far as my current view, I actually see most things that people consider to be "free will" as genetically programmed or conditioned responses (striving for success, mate selection, etc). I'm more interested in emergence.

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    6. Euvie Ivanova‏ @euvieivanova 6 Feb 2019
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      Replying to @euvieivanova @misen__ and

      In your experience, what happens when people take the notion of free will as pivotal in their world view?

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    7. Mi'sen‏ @misen__ 6 Feb 2019
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      Replying to @euvieivanova @cognazor and

      A simple summary (b/c time): - praise: they attribute their successes to their own efforts, and undervalue context dependant variables. - blame: they attribute others' failures to their lack of effort, motivation, etc; and undervalue why those failures occurred in context.

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    8. Mi'sen‏ @misen__ 6 Feb 2019
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      Replying to @misen__ @euvieivanova and

      what this looks like in practice is that the causes & conditions which shape the 'emergent' outcome of any set of responses become hidden; because of fake attribution. IME, people who take free-will as a key belief cease to look for leverage points where they can optimise.

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    9. Euvie Ivanova‏ @euvieivanova 6 Feb 2019
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      Replying to @misen__ @cognazor and

      Can you elaborate on the last statement?

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    10. Mi'sen‏ @misen__ 6 Feb 2019
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      Replying to @euvieivanova @cognazor and

      Eg: I know a CEO of a recruitment firm. He was very good at what he used to do, but now he’s at the top he complains about his young employees not taking initiative; instead of looking for things he can change, he complains about them not trying hard enough.

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      Mi'sen‏ @misen__ 6 Feb 2019
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      Replying to @misen__ @euvieivanova and

      When I pushed back on this and asked him questions, I was amazed by just how entrenched in his view he was. He was unwilling to consider ways of coaxing his employees in his desired direction, because according his worldview they were just choosing to not put in the effort.

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        2. Mi'sen‏ @misen__ 6 Feb 2019
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          Replying to @misen__ @euvieivanova and

          It’s kind of an extreme, limited example, but versions of this seem to happen with surprising frequency.

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        3. Sindre‏ @Triquetrea 6 Feb 2019
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          Replying to @misen__ @euvieivanova and

          Speaking from personal experience working at a firm like that, you can have all those beliefs and retain some modicum of self-awareness. You just slingshot "didn't want to put the work in" up a level to include your own outcomes w/employees... which is the logical thing to do.

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