But enlightened people don't act like assholes. :)
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Replying to @Triquetrea
What tradition do you reckon is most sold on the 'enlightened people don't act like assholes' story? For better or for worse, kagyu/nyingma folk seem pretty happy to allow for enlightened assholes (eg: mahasiddhas, wrathful activity, etc). My guess would be a therevada tradition
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Replying to @misen__
All the subcategories of Mahayana give me this vibe, TBH, and some Theravada. Stoicism, to an extent - but it's more of a guideline w/the understanding being that people are sort of trash as often as not, no matter their accomplishment.
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Replying to @Triquetrea @misen__
Personally, and I guess this says more about me than about the traditions, I lean towards some version of the Stoic interpretation. Life is harsh. People are harsh. It's good to act with kindness, wisdom and equanimity. All the same, see the first 2 steps. You are no different.
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Replying to @Triquetrea @misen__
The key reason the Stoics keep giving for why you should treat others well, is that they are just as divine as you, and you just as base as them. To me, that lack of pretentiousness about "enlightenment" is more of a key value than compassion. Reflects a lack of distortions.
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Replying to @Triquetrea @misen__
Sure, it might generally make sense to treat people kindly and compassionately, and to act with equanimity and good intent and so on... But what if it doesn't, right now? What do you do then? Nothing is true (except this, and also that), everything is permitted (but not that).
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Replying to @Triquetrea
Yes, I'd generally favour this sort of interpretation, partly because of the way I've been taught. One of my teachers is generally very warm, kind, loving.....the other can be pretty grouchy, and gets emphatic when people mistake warm fuzzies and gentleness as the point.
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Replying to @misen__
There is a famous stoic anecdote (don't have time to dig out the source) about a man who loses his house, wife and children in a siege or something like that. When asked by his friends if he is not sad, he replies: "And why? I lost nothing that is mine."
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I suppose if people can pull that off without just suppressing emotions, that's powerful. I would guess the problem sneaks in where people mistake a result as a practice instructions, and end up just tying themselves in knots.
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Replying to @misen__
Yes. And it's hard to say if anything anyone calls enlightenment is something, say, the Buddha would agree constitutes enlightenment - and if such a question is even important.
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