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I met a Western lama, visited his center. He was kind to me, was a good teacher, but I found his interaction with his own students to be abusive. His sangha behaved like adult children of an alcoholic. Did he have some genuine experience? Perhaps. Was he awakened? I doubt it.
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I think this is the cruz of it. A narrow definition of awakening might focus only on certain insights into the nature of mind. A broad definition requires successful integration of those insights into Boddhisatva-like behavior.
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the Zen tradition makes this distinction pretty clearly. Kensho (translation: "glimpse into true nature") is the narrow awakening and is generally expected from most students. Full awakening or enlightenment, in this tradition, requires years of training and integration.
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From my perspective, you can have insight into the nature of not-self, but that doesn't mean your whole messed up psychology has gotten the memo.
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I agree with that, but I don’t think that would count as ‘awakening’ according to the definition Chagmé is using here. Of course, this conversation isn’t new. Meditators have been confusing each other over use of terms for thousands of years.
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When it comes down to it, the minimum criteria for Mahayana based practice is entering the Path of Seeing. Not tripping or having a deep psychological insight.
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