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    1. Ian Welsh‏ @iwelsh 29 Dec 2018
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      Religions almost all started as paths. It is, for example, useful to believe in certain types of God. It has personal or social utility. (I could write a 10K essay on this topic.) But what are, in Buddhist terms "expedient means" get reified into dogma.

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    2. Ian Welsh‏ @iwelsh 29 Dec 2018
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      also, we have changed the meaning of belief. For a Medieval European to say they believed in Christ was often to say they believed in his path to God, NOT that they believed that the world had literally been created in 7 days, say.

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    3. Ian Welsh‏ @iwelsh 29 Dec 2018
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      For a lot of mystical/meditative tasks and paths belief in a God, especially a benevolent and loving God is amazingly useful. Yes, at some point, if you encounter God/Kali/Zeus on the path, you'll have to kill them. But the people who get to that level are insanely advanced.

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    4. Ian Welsh‏ @iwelsh 29 Dec 2018
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      I doubt more than three people (and I know exactly who they are) who follow me, are advanced enough that "kill the Buddha if you meet him" is applicable to them. You can be one of the great sages in history and not kill the Buddha/God.

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    5. Meekaale Brockman‏ @meekaale 29 Dec 2018
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      In a lesser usage, I sometimes remember that slogan in meditation and it seems applicable and useful—like, whatever ideal state I’m imagining, just kill it.

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    6. Ian Welsh‏ @iwelsh 29 Dec 2018
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      Yes. Drop everything. All of it. But God can get you so far it's crazy. You drop everything FOR God, then drop God. It is FAR faster than almost all paths w/o God. Using loving kindness as your object of attention is a way of doing this w/o a God, as an aside.

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    7. Mi'sen‏ @misen__ 29 Dec 2018
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      Yes, I’m convinced why this is one reason why guru yoga became so poplulsr among dzogchen yogis, to the point where it is now considered the main practice in several lineages (especially in the most popular lineage in the past hundred years or so).

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    8. Ian Welsh‏ @iwelsh 29 Dec 2018
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      it really really works. Three of the most clearly enlightened people I know had/have gurus. It's just so ripe for abuse. (I doubt I would ever do it.)

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      Mi'sen‏ @misen__ 29 Dec 2018
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      Yes, I know one person who is looking at slightly more sensible ways of making use of the guru model, but it’s rather early days and quite experimental, although it seems to be having a positive effect for some of the students, especially those who grok the idea of ‘inner guru’

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        2. Ian Welsh‏ @iwelsh 29 Dec 2018
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          a lot of folks are trying to fix the teacher/gurua/abuse issue. Hope they do, but I'm wondering how they'll keep the juice.

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        3. Mi'sen‏ @misen__ 29 Dec 2018
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          Yes, unfortunately it seems that many of the reworkings are influenced by identity politics in a way which may be unproductive in the context of contemplative training/practice. Will be interesting to see what works, if anything

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