Mi'sen

Thank you for this response, Kaj. Really interesting! Lots to reflect on.

I think the way in which you're talking re: subprograms imposing a _preferred_ order, thus creating biased perception, desire for things to be different, and a subtle tension, probably has a lot of truth in it, so to speak.

prapancha is something like a 'hidden assumption of order'. Insight uncovers these assumptions and allows us to see how that preferred order - the assumption - not only creates tension, but also distorts the way in which we perceive. So we perceive fluids as solid, metaphorically

I'm going to say something silly, and suggest that craving might be something like the relationship between these hidden conceptual assumptions - the preferred models of order - and this natural experience as it is. Craving turtles all the way down, within concepts at least.

As you keep looking, you see these increasingly subtle assumptions which maintain the mirage of dualistic perception, and you see how even craving itself isn't solid or real, it's another subtle hidden model of order - beyond which, is beyond my pay grade.

I'm already starting to confuse myself, so I'll leave it there for now. But I really appreciate you sharing your thoughts on this Kaj. Super interesting to hear what you're working with.

Thank you, I really appreciated hearing your thoughts as well. :) I'm also influenced by predictive processing models of cognition (http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/09/05/book-review-surfing-uncertainty/ … ), which hold that the brain is constantly trying to predict incoming sense data, and subtly biases its perceptions so that

some of the mismatches between the predicted and actually perceived sense data get discarded as noise, with the actually perceived data getting rounded to match the prediction. Also that e.g. physical action happens by the system strongly predicting it to happen, and then acting