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I like to sit on my arse and relax. Genially mad. Romancing neurotypicals.

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    1. Kenneth Folk‏ @KennethFolk 9 Aug 2018
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      You're in prison. Some days good, some bad, but always prison. Everyone you know is also in prison. Most don't know they're in prison. Some know, but insist prison is fine. Some sell keys that don't work. This is the Truth of Dukkha. Your refuge is nirvana. What is nirvana?

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    2. Dan Horton‏ @ifIknewIdtellya 9 Aug 2018
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      Yes indeed, what is Nirvana?!

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    3. Kenneth Folk‏ @KennethFolk 9 Aug 2018
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      No mystery, although for those still attached to experience, it's difficult to accept. Nirvana is insentience. Out like a light.

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    4. Peter McEwen‏ @techgnostic 10 Aug 2018
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      Can you contrast your use of ‘awake’ in your pinned tweet with your interpretation of ‘nirvana’ that you use in this thread please?

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    5. Kenneth Folk‏ @KennethFolk 10 Aug 2018
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      If you've got the time, my 3 conversations with @OortCloudAtlas explore this question in detail. Briefly, nirvana is absence of experience. Awakeness happens during normal waking consciousness. Conflation of these two very different phenomena is a common misunderstanding.

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    6. Mi'sen‏ @misen__ 11 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @KennethFolk @techgnostic and

      I recently relistened to those, which are great. I’m curious how you relate this to CONR? Is there a functional distinction between the suffering of the machine - so to speak - and the suffering of ‘dukkha’, as in the formulation you’re using here?

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    7. Kenneth Folk‏ @KennethFolk 11 Aug 2018
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      The suffering of the machine and human suffering are functionally equivalent. Both require consciousness, ownership via phenomenal self model, negative valence, and realness à la @ThomasMetzinger. Dukkha means that while you may not be suffering now, you will eventually suffer.

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      Mi'sen‏ @misen__ 11 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @KennethFolk @techgnostic and

      Yes, I really like the CONR formulation. I guess some of the confusion around the various uses of nirvana is that some traditions use it to mean that the necessary conditions for suffering aren’t present (eg: dissolving ownership and negative valence via some non-dual stuff).

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        2. Kenneth Folk‏ @KennethFolk 11 Aug 2018
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          Yes, later interpretations of Buddhism have defined nirvana as something you can enjoy while also getting what you want. Fair enough, I say, but let's also preserve the original meaning of nirvana as "lights out" & hence peace. You won't be there to know about it.

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