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    1. Chagmé‏ @chagmed 7 Aug 2018
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      @misen__ what do you mean by trauma in the present context?

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    2. Mi'sen‏ @misen__ 7 Aug 2018
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      Well in light of Michael’s comment it seems important to note that I was referring to knots held in the psycho-physical system which cause impairment to normal functioning and require specific targeted techniques to resolve. That covers a large range - perhaps too large.

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    3. Mi'sen‏ @misen__ 7 Aug 2018
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      I’m not a psychologist or a meditation teacher - I’m just poking around for information here, seeing what more experienced practitioners have to say. Listening to some senior meditators, it seems like there are some important distinction to be made on an individual basis.

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    4. Mi'sen‏ @misen__ 7 Aug 2018
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      Personally I’ve worked through stuff which was really unpleasant - such that I was coached through in a context of resolving trauma. But, I don’t know how that process differs from standard purification stuff expected in serious meditation practice, vs someone with serious PTSD.

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    5. Mi'sen‏ @misen__ 7 Aug 2018
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      It seems important to draw these distinctions out, especially when the term is being thrown around a lot at the moment. Where those distinctions lie and who to trust on the matter, is not at all clear to me.

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    6. Chagmé‏ @chagmed 7 Aug 2018
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      have you discussed with any of your teachers? e.g., is term kleśa limited to anger, et al., or can it also be applied to afflictions of neurological origin?

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      Mi'sen‏ @misen__ 7 Aug 2018
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      I’ve talked to a couple of teachers about both trauma and ‘psycho-spiritual’ purification - in terms of instruction and personal coaching, but never really looked into use of terms and so on. Not something I’m working with at the moment, personally - Caroline got me thinking 🤔

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        2. Mi'sen‏ @misen__ 7 Aug 2018
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          I thought my spark of interest was a good opportunity to fill in that gap in my knowledge, make some conceptual connections - so I can respond & refer more responsibly in the future, as a sort of harm reduction I suppose. Does that make sense, Chagmé?

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        3. Chagmé‏ @chagmed 7 Aug 2018
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          the tradition seems silent RE effective means to work through trauma. a possible exception might be the mind teachings, which are accessible to relatively few. even in their case, guidance from teachers is lacking.

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        1. Chagmé‏ @chagmed 7 Aug 2018
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          As you well know, in the Vajrayana the practice of Vajrasattva and other deities, shamatha, etc., are supposed to effect purification. I cannot say that I've seen it make much of a difference in the lives of practitioners I know.

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