Mike Solana

we have been fighting the same war for a century and it isn’t left v right. it’s ‘collective’ will v individual freedom. the former inclines naturally, invariably to force, the later to love and curse words

there has never been an activist movement for love (e.g. premarital sex before it was accepted, interracial marriage before it was accepted, homosexuality before it was accepted) that didn't argue from the principle of liberty - "don't tell me what to do with my body / life"

Interesting. I consider "don't tell me what to do with my body / life" just to be the framing for how those movements were packaged and sold. Especially because opposition to these movements also framed similarly with "Don't tell me how to practice my religion / educate my kids".

if liberty was just the marketing for gay rights, what in your opinion were we actually fighting for? separately, the opposition to gay rights absolutely wasn't framed "don't tell me how" in the early 90s - they were in charge. no one was telling them how to do anything.

Liberty and Justice. And societies that were much earlier to adopt gay rights lean further towards the 'collectivist' end of the spectrum than the US, rather than being more 'individualist'.

assuming you mean scandinavian countries, which *also* argued for gay rights from principle of liberty, and btw aren't nearly as collectivist as cuba or the ussr, two of the scariest nations in history for gay ppl.

With that, sounds like we just agreed that folks will make arguments in support/against activist movements with supporting logic derived from either end of the spectrum. . I guess nuance doesn’t make for good tweets tho