Honestly I am absolutely terrified of people who don’t believe in market economies because those are the people who turned my grandparents into refugees from China, and my mom’s family into refugees from Myanmar 20th century was not kind to my ancestors, and history repeats
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Replying to @garrytan
It depends on the efficiency of the market economy - when it’s captured by a few at the top , then it’s a market in theory and it’s more dangerous than the alternative.
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Replying to @maggycoffee @garrytan
which market economy with an income equality issue is worse than mao’s china
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Replying to @aquariusacquah @garrytan
yeah it doesn’t really count as a free market when people are literally enslaved
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Replying to @micsolana @garrytan
Y'all say shit like this but then I get mad (I think rightly) when people say China and Russia "weren't 'true' socialism"
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Replying to @aquariusacquah @garrytan
my point is the south wasn’t free. are you disagreeing with that or... ?
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Replying to @micsolana @garrytan
And socialists would say that in those countries the means of production were truly in the hands of the workers because they weren't sufficiently democratic. I think both arguments are unsubstantive deflections aiming to obscure the larger point critics are making.
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Replying to @aquariusacquah @garrytan
yes and the seismic difference between our positions is the version of socialism they are deflecting away from maoist death camps with is imaginary, whereas the market economies i am talking about exist today
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Replying to @micsolana @garrytan
If you ask Bernie Sanders what democratic socialist countries he would like to deflect away from he will surely name some that in Europe that are not imaginary.
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and when you find me a swedish person who accepts the premise they are a socialist nation you will have a point
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Replying to @micsolana @garrytan
I'm sure I can, but your point is that many do not. Just as I'm sure you can find a libertarian economist who would say that pre-civil rights era America wasn't technically capitalist. But the point is many do not.
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I guess my basic point is, wrt the original post. There is no law that market economies are strictly better than planned ones or vice versa. There are problems with both! And most serious people in the United States are trying to solve that problem with specific policies.
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