i never understand what your point is, here. "oh, it's the conservatives' fault this horrifying thing now exists on the left." okay? i think it's more complicated, but fine? surely the thing that actually matters *right now* is the horrifying thing on the left.
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I disagree with Parker on most bit here he's
I grew up behind the iron curtain in real socialism in the 1970s and 80s and what we're talking about in the US under the term socialism isn't real.
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bernie sanders has espoused the nationalization of most industry in this country. i agree socialism has been incorrectly used as a toothless bogeyman for basically innocuous social welfare programs under people like obama, but that is no longer the case.
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Nationalization of most industry? Or just medical and oil?
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He has espoused support for the nationalization of healthcare, energy, utilities, banks, telecommunications. quote in support of: "legislation which will bring about the public ownership of the major means of production and their conversion into worker-controlled enterprises"
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he toned down his rhetoric in 2015, when he decided to run for president. but forgive me if, after four decades defending such horrifying statism, i find the notion bernie only wants to nationalize healthcare (itself a subversion of freedom) suspect.
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Which is the case for Bernie being more dangerous than Tr***
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sanders' policy rhetoric is certainly more dangerous, but agree it's unclear how much sanders would be able to do in the shorter term. normalization of socialism would be catastrophic, but then i'm not convinced that hasn't already happened.
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That's not all "socialism" is...government's been involved in healthcare since the 60s. Calling for the nationalization of the pharmaceutical industry...that's something we'd more effectively point to and argue "socialism has won"...rather than a Medicare for all system.
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