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    Michael Malice‏Verified account @michaelmalice Jun 22
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    if there were so many angels in the north a draft would have been unnecessary and draft riots would have been impossible history and humanity is far more complicated than we would like it to be william lloyd garrison was almost lynched in boston, not baton rougehttps://twitter.com/Zapzipzim/status/1275201403770765323 …

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    Mandolinpickin (Parler: @mandolinpickin) @Zapzipzim
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    It’s true and valid that Lincoln held a differing view from many Americans of the time. His goal clearly was to preserve the Union. That does not mean that those abolitionists who fought to free the slaves were any less intentional.
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      1. Michael Malice‏Verified account @michaelmalice Jun 22
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        if the north were as heroic as claimed they wouldn't have abandoned southern blacks as they did in 1877 since that story doesn't have an easy good guy/bad guy split it's not part of American pop culture history it is horrifying to learn about

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      1. Thurston Owl 🦉‏ @ThurstonOwl Jun 22
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        Moldbug recently gave the example that if you walked into a bar in Virginia and Boston and declared yourself an abolitionist, you'd be given a free drink in one and hanged in the other

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      1. WendyJ‏ @whyhassleme Jun 22
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        Emancipation was strong in the south too! Slavery was inhumane and not profitable by 1860. Time was necessary to transition out of it & give slaves marketable skills, etc. Robert E Lee & Stonewall Jackson both favored Emancipation & staying in the union. North forced war - MONEY!

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      1. Michael Kerner‏ @Mike4Freedom Jun 22
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        Young men in the north had no desire to die for a cause that did not affect them. That is how most wars work. Soldiers die for the benefit of others.

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      1. stumblebum‏ @stumblebum_ Jun 22
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        And by his almost being lynched, that lent "street cred" to his worthless strategic thinking, which encouraged more abolitionists to support him. Many of those new supporters would then find Spooner/Douglass, and, with them, a superior strategy.

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      1. njsports‏ @njsports4 Jun 22
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        Because they only drafted poor Irish into their ranks, people who had just fled a famine

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        The draft riots were partly because wealthy families could buy their sons out of the draft, to be replaced by someone poorer. In NYC that was largely the Irish immigrants, many of whom were literally drafted as they walked off the ship that brought them here from Ireland.

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      2. MSP - Remember Cannon Hinnant‏ @MP20135498 Jun 23
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        The Irish and new European immigrants were openly angry and violent at the prospect of competition from freed slaves. By way of the unions most of the violence was organized.

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        No poor Whites wanted to fight a war against their own economic interests.

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      1. Mandolinpickin (Parler: @mandolinpickin)‏ @Zapzipzim Jun 22
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        Yes, it was not a perfect situation at all. I’m certainly not positing that even my ancestors were perfect —they were not. People are people. Crap happens. That’s what makes history interesting, right?

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