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    1. zooko‏ @zooko 20 May 2018
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      Replying to @zooko @michael_nielsen @patrickc

      When I start telling people my opinions about things like this they back away and unfollow me. :-}

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    2. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 20 May 2018
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      Replying to @zooko @patrickc

      Are you referring to the RAND healthcare study? Note, by the way, the comments about changing demographics other commenters have made, which likely invalidate my point (b).

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    3. zooko‏ @zooko 20 May 2018
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      Replying to @michael_nielsen @patrickc

      I don't think changes in the birth rate could cause that graph to look anything like the graph that people _want_ to exist, in which modern medicine is dramatically better than 100-years-ago medicine.

      2 replies 1 retweet 5 likes
    4. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 21 May 2018
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      Replying to @zooko

      Modern medicine _is_ a lot better, if in no other way than essentially wiping out infectious diseases (which is enormous). Infant mortality statistics is another huge win. Both are only partially medical, also due to, e.g., better plumbing etc.

      3 replies 0 retweets 12 likes
    5. Kevin Kwok‏ @kevinakwok 21 May 2018
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      Replying to @michael_nielsen @zooko

      Maybe modern medicine is a red queen😬

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    6. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 21 May 2018
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      Replying to @kevinakwok @zooko

      Tell that to the ppl who missed out on smallpox. From 50 million cases per year (not all lethal) in the 1950s to... 0. That's not running in place. Or tell it to a parent whose child didn't die. Infant mortality was nearly 40% in 1900, AKA most parents had a child who died.

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    7. Kevin Kwok‏ @kevinakwok 21 May 2018
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      Replying to @michael_nielsen @zooko

      I'm definitely not arguing against medecine! Infant mortality and infectious disease gains huge! I was making opposite push, maybe the reason (those two excluded) we see no mortality improvement in this chart is because we need to keep innovating in medicine to keep place with

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    8. Kevin Kwok‏ @kevinakwok 21 May 2018
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      Replying to @kevinakwok @michael_nielsen @zooko

      Negative factors getting stronger too. Also I don't particularly hold this view just trying to parse this chart and come up with all possible explanations for it. Especially those that map to my prior of all medicine improving significantly still

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    9. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 21 May 2018
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      Replying to @kevinakwok @zooko

      Worth looking through other parts of the thread, especially the tumblr post I link. An aging population - a large effect - means that constant mortality actually represents a big win. I greatly underestimated this point in my original post.

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    10. Kevin Kwok‏ @kevinakwok 21 May 2018
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      Replying to @michael_nielsen @zooko

      Oh wow I missed the other tweets in your original thread. Will do! Ah makes sense that this was not cohort level charts. Everything should be cohort level sigh

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      michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 21 May 2018
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      Replying to @kevinakwok @zooko

      Look at the change in all-cause mortality for the US, ages 65-74. It's huge. (I haven't checked the source of the figures.)

      8:29 AM - 21 May 2018
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