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    michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 20 May 2018
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    Incredible chart. Take mortality statistics & subtract infectious disease. You see: (a) in the twentieth century we largely defeated infectious disease in the US (arguably the biggest achievement of 20C); and (b) little else we did in medicine affected mortality. via @patrickcpic.twitter.com/k2DAtPoEz8

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      2. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 20 May 2018
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        It's unclear if mortality includes infant mortality, which is often factored out in such discussions (I assume it likely is here, but don't know). The caption should be ignored - what's being plotted is mortality per 100,000 ppl.

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      3. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 20 May 2018
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        Also, many people have pointed out, it's not really possible to conclude (b), due to changing demographics. It'd be interesting to know.

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      4. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 20 May 2018
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        Source is Robert Gordon's book "The Rise and Fall of American Growth": https://www.amazon.com/Rise-Fall-American-Growth-Princeton/dp/153661825X … The analysis is inspired by: http://pro-decizii-informate.ro/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/John-and-Sonja-Mckinlay-Questionable-contribution-of-medical-measures-to-the-decline-of-mortality-1977.pdf …

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      5. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 20 May 2018
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        Nice concrete discussion of the changing demographics issue at http://xhxhxhx.tumblr.com/post/150566951252/slatestarscratchpad-prophecyformula … via @citronhoneyteapic.twitter.com/bkaJITOImV

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      2. zooko‏ @zooko 20 May 2018
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        Consistent with several other pieces of data (including two randomized interventions!) that all generally point toward modern medicine being about break-even on help vs harm.

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      3. zooko‏ @zooko 20 May 2018
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        Replying to @zooko @michael_nielsen @patrickc

        When I start telling people my opinions about things like this they back away and unfollow me. :-}

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      2. Shaun Hendy‏ @hendysh 20 May 2018
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        I don’t think you can conclude b) unless demographics remain constant - population distribution aging and dropping birth rates mask improving medicine

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      3. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 20 May 2018
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        Yup, you may well be right. I'm not sure if the data includes or excludes infant mortality (which is often excluded from this kind of chart).

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      2. Neil Saunders‏ @neilfws 20 May 2018
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        spike is 1918 influenza I guess, it is indeed an incredible chart

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        Yes:pic.twitter.com/69faV7NYQC

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