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    1. Jack Clark‏ @jackclarkSF 18 May 2018
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      This sounds like a loaded question but... Why don't more people who talk about AI $subject (eg, ethics, policy, strategy) actually engage with foundational technical literature? What is the plausible justification for not habitually skimming Arxiv?

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    2. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 18 May 2018
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      Because they can do well professionally without. As an ethnographic adventure I went to a conference last year focused on AI, UBI etc. I didn't meet anyone, or see a single speaker, who was engaged w the primary literature on AI. But lots of these ppl speak at Davos, in NYT etc

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    3. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 18 May 2018
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      michael_nielsen Retweeted kristin eberth

      See also: https://twitter.com/kristineberth/status/997356628339904514 … It's really interesting, and I'll bet there's a good book in it.

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      kristin eberth @kristineberth
      There is quite literally an entire economy of people running around in suits saying buzzwords and writing checks to other people running around in suits saying buzzwords.
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    4. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 18 May 2018
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      An amusing test reporters could apply: "Oh, before we begin, would you mind quickly writing down the equations describing backprop in, say, a simple feedforward net? Okay if it's a bit rough!" AKA, do you know how any of this works?

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    5. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 18 May 2018
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      Slightly unfair - there are people with interesting things to say who would fail this test. Still, I think the idea has merit, some kind of FizzBuzz for AI "experts".

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      michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 18 May 2018
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      A serious point: the notion of an "AI expert" is a very difficult one. Does it mean an expert on: (a) hypothetical future artificial intelligences; or (b) the current crop of techniques, which may or may not have anything to do with (a), but are certainly far distant from it.

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        2. Jack Clark‏ @jackclarkSF 18 May 2018
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          I didn't say expert in my original thing. I think experts get annointed by the press/participants in discourse. So people can usually talk their way into becoming 'experts'

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        3. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 18 May 2018
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          Sorry, wasn't referring to your original, just the general discourse in which this is a common sleight-of-hand. It happens often.

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        1. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 18 May 2018
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          The challenge is that people in class (b) are often presented as being in class (a). Arguably, no-one is in class (a). This is not a criticism of any of those people or even, really, the journalists: it's arguably a category error arising from terms like "AI expert".

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        2. Melanie Mitchell‏ @MelMitchell1 18 May 2018
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          I would add class (c) People who are familiar with the long history of AI. I think there are a lot of people in (a) and/or (b) but not in (c).

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        3. Melanie Mitchell‏ @MelMitchell1 18 May 2018
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          I'm not sure you can be an "AI expert" if you don't know much about the field's history.

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