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    1. Jack Clark‏ @jackclarkSF 18 May 2018
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      This sounds like a loaded question but... Why don't more people who talk about AI $subject (eg, ethics, policy, strategy) actually engage with foundational technical literature? What is the plausible justification for not habitually skimming Arxiv?

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    2. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 18 May 2018
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      Because they can do well professionally without. As an ethnographic adventure I went to a conference last year focused on AI, UBI etc. I didn't meet anyone, or see a single speaker, who was engaged w the primary literature on AI. But lots of these ppl speak at Davos, in NYT etc

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    3. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 18 May 2018
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      michael_nielsen Retweeted kristin eberth

      See also: https://twitter.com/kristineberth/status/997356628339904514 … It's really interesting, and I'll bet there's a good book in it.

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      kristin eberth @kristineberth
      There is quite literally an entire economy of people running around in suits saying buzzwords and writing checks to other people running around in suits saying buzzwords.
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    4. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 18 May 2018
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      An amusing test reporters could apply: "Oh, before we begin, would you mind quickly writing down the equations describing backprop in, say, a simple feedforward net? Okay if it's a bit rough!" AKA, do you know how any of this works?

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      michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 18 May 2018
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      Slightly unfair - there are people with interesting things to say who would fail this test. Still, I think the idea has merit, some kind of FizzBuzz for AI "experts".

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        2. Jack Clark‏ @jackclarkSF 18 May 2018
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          I think I might fail this test, but I think I could explain, say, backprop in a way that made sense to them, then connect that to interesting innovations eg resnets, skip gates, etc, and tie this to progress in image recognition as a whole. (And that feels like it'd be useful)

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        3. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 18 May 2018
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          It's not meant seriously (though something similar in spirit might be useful). I certainly think you should be talking to reporters! Didn't mean to imply otherwise.

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        2. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 18 May 2018
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          A serious point: the notion of an "AI expert" is a very difficult one. Does it mean an expert on: (a) hypothetical future artificial intelligences; or (b) the current crop of techniques, which may or may not have anything to do with (a), but are certainly far distant from it.

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        3. Jack Clark‏ @jackclarkSF 18 May 2018
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          I didn't say expert in my original thing. I think experts get annointed by the press/participants in discourse. So people can usually talk their way into becoming 'experts'

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        2. mmxgn‏ @mmxgn 18 May 2018
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          Also because people think of AI as specific things, e.g. backprop while there are huge chunks of AI that have nothing to do with such methods. The answer to the OP question imho is that AI is an abstract notion and encompasses ethics in CS in general.

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        3. mmxgn‏ @mmxgn 18 May 2018
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          E.g. Evrn if you do simple if then else algorithms for something that deals with human your choice of what goes within there still is a matter of ethics but has little to do with how GRUs are trained.

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        1. nick farina  💘‏ @nick_farina 18 May 2018
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          important for people to identify their expertise and note how it's applied, so ex: an ethics phd can say interesting things about quantum computing w/o reading arxiv, but burden is on them to identify how their expertise being applied, not claim qc expertise

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