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    1. Devon‏ @devonzuegel 7 May 2018
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      Devon Retweeted Fred Ehrsam

      Has any country used inflation as the primary, official way to raise revenue instead of taxes, a la Tezos? (Please don't answer "Weimar Germany". I'm asking for governments where that's the explicit, accepted source of funds rather than a desperate emergency measure)https://twitter.com/FEhrsam/status/949355741160206336 …

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      Fred EhrsamVerified account @FEhrsam
      3c/ Inflation funding. Anyone can submit improvements. Token holders vote to approve/reject and decide bounty size. New tokens are minted to pay bounty. Examples: Tezos, DFINITY (neither live)
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    2. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 7 May 2018
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      Replying to @devonzuegel

      I remember listening to Pauline Hanson - who ran an Australian political party - propose "printing more money" as a primary means of finance. TBC, she wasn't talking about quantitative easing etc, she just thought of it as a budget fix-all. Never implemented, fortunately.

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    3. Devon‏ @devonzuegel 7 May 2018
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      Replying to @michael_nielsen

      If we could tax all wealth at the same rate with no leakage (i.e. exactly X% of every dollar went to the govt) wouldn't this be roughly equivalent?

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    4. Devon‏ @devonzuegel 7 May 2018
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      Replying to @devonzuegel @michael_nielsen

      The problem seems to come when you go too far, bringing it from a steady, predictable rate to uncontrollable hyperinflation, right? Inflation as a funding mechanism isn't inherently problematic (afaict)

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    5. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 7 May 2018
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      Replying to @devonzuegel

      I don't know. IIRC, inflation targetting aims for 1-3% per annum, & seems to work pretty well. I presume that's based in part on models of what people can tolerate, but I've never read the justifications.

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    6. Patrick Collison‏Verified account @patrickc 7 May 2018
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      Replying to @michael_nielsen @devonzuegel

      I’ve often wondered what this number is a function of.

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    7. Devon‏ @devonzuegel 7 May 2018
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      Replying to @patrickc @michael_nielsen

      Probably a psychological threshold more than anything. A rate with significant impact on value over time but slow enough that it doesn't cause individual people in the economy to act radically differently/erratically day-to-day

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      michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 7 May 2018
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      Replying to @devonzuegel @patrickc

      I believe Australia's inflation rate went up to double digits % in the 80s, and that the effect was pretty severe on the population (particularly people with large mortgages).

      11:00 PM - 7 May 2018
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        2. Lawrence Kesteloot‏ @lkesteloot 7 May 2018
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          Replying to @michael_nielsen @devonzuegel @patrickc

          Wouldn't high inflation be awesome for people with large mortgages? Their monthly payment stays the same but their income goes up. (Unless they have an ARM.)

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        3. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 7 May 2018
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          Replying to @lkesteloot @devonzuegel @patrickc

          With variable rates loans, I meant. Which was very common at the time, as far as I understand. Apparently it caused a lot of political turmoil.

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        2. Brian Lui‏ @brianluidog 7 May 2018
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          Replying to @michael_nielsen @devonzuegel @patrickc

          We can view inflation as similar to issuing stock options. Mature companies tend to issue 0-3% of outstanding stock. High growth companies can issue much more than that. That's a possibly reason why inflation targeting is around that level in mature economies

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        3. Patrick Collison‏Verified account @patrickc 7 May 2018
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          Replying to @brianluidog @michael_nielsen @devonzuegel

          That's a fascinating parallel; hadn't thought of it in those terms.

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        1. Bryan O'Doyle‏ @MtnDenizen 8 May 2018
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          Replying to @michael_nielsen @devonzuegel @patrickc

          Canada, '81, 12.9% annual inflation, mortgage rates over 20%... it was stress alright. Then PM P.E. Trudeau basically charmed Canadians out of a stampede to hyperinflation via wage demands by months of a "6 and 5" campaign.

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