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    1. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 9 Apr 2018
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      I meet lots of people who tell me fatalistically (& often despondently) that it's near impossible to do important work on neural nets today, unless you have huge compute and huge data sets.

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    2. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 9 Apr 2018
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      It seems to me this is based on a bad model of how scientific progress gets made.

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    3. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 9 Apr 2018
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      You can see this in part by looking at historically important discoveries: what do backpropagation, conv nets, Alexnet, GANS, LSTMs, ReLUs all have in common? All were developed with relatively small compute, and small data sets.

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    4. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 9 Apr 2018
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      In science, the most important progress often comes from better questions and better ideas, not better equipment (in this case, more computational power and data).

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    5. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 9 Apr 2018
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      In biology, the government-run genome project cost 10 times as much as Venter's private project. Much of the reason for the cost difference is that Venter adopted a clever hack (pairwise end shotgun sequencing) the government project didn't use until the end.

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    6. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 9 Apr 2018
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      In particle physics, Freeman Dyson found that, contrary to conventional wisdom, only a small fraction of the most important progress comes from building bigger accelerators. Much of it comes from much harder-to-control improvements in detectors and the like.pic.twitter.com/J2ejGimM0t

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    7. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 9 Apr 2018
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      Why is big science so seductive? In part, because it seems guaranteed: you can plan, you can see success from the start. That's much less nerve-inducing (and _seems_ less uncertain) than needing to have clever ideas along the way.

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    8. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 9 Apr 2018
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      Back to neural nets: a danger in scaling up your computational power is that you start to focus _only_ on questions that require that computational power. You hire specialists who thrive in that environment, but who aren't so good at playing with basic, fundamental questions...

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    9. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 9 Apr 2018
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      ... and your culture starts to tilt that way, driving out people who do like to play with basic, fundamental questions.

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    10. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 9 Apr 2018
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      Take all this with a grain of salt. Neural nets are a side interest, not my main interest. Maybe I'm wrong. But I don't think so. This dynamic has played out in genome sequencing, in particle physics, & in many other areas. Big science is attractive, but often small science wins

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      michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 9 Apr 2018
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      Does this mean computational power or big data is useless? No, of course not. There are important questions that can likely only be addressed that way. But if you want to work on AI, it seems to me a mistake to be too focused on the need for lots of data and lots of compute.

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        2. helena sarin‏ @glagolista 9 Apr 2018
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          how do you define lots though 🤔 you still need a decent GPU and you still need the decent sized datasets

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        3. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 9 Apr 2018
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          I'm sure there are important breakthroughs that can be made using paper and pencil and (maybe) a CPU. But I was responding specifically to people who tell me that only Google / Facebook etc have the resources to do important work...

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        1. krishnadusad‏ @krishnadusad 9 Apr 2018
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          True. My advisor, David Forsyth, had said this: “Research has thrived by working on problems the industry can’t or won’t. If something can be better solved by the industry with more compute and data, then you should let them do it; they’re solving one of your problems!”

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        1. A7MD0V‏ @ahmadovich_ 9 Apr 2018
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          I work on AI using introspection.

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        1. iandanforth‏ @iandanforth 9 Apr 2018
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          Agree. What do you think about this proposition though. 'Breakthrough' ideas have to be smaller scale to be 1. Deeply understood by the person making them and 2. Teachable. What if many great ideas simply never got purchase because they were too big or complex?

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        1. Srini Kadamati‏ @SriniKadamati 9 Apr 2018
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          So many of these were invented pre 2000 on simple compute and rediscovered now And applied now

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        1. Joshua Saxe‏ @joshua_saxe 9 Apr 2018
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          I wonder how much of the emphasis on empiricism at scale comes from the fact that much of the high-impact literature is now funded commercially, and thus is biased towards achieving practical results on a specific set of problems, versus addressing fundamental questions.

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