Most of you think humblebragging's worse than bragging. Let me make a case for the reverse. If someone openly brags, you're forced to congratulate him. But if he humblebrags, you can pretend not to notice, eg: "My beach house is sooo ramshackle" "That's ok, as long as it's comfy"
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Replying to @juliagalef
Having my friends brag to me - i.e., share their successes - is really wonderful. It can be done obnoxiously, but many do it beautifully. I wish many would do it more. But maybe by "bragging" you mean "obnoxious sharing of success", by definition?
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Replying to @michael_nielsen
It's tricky to define bragging. Certainly "I got the job I was hoping for!" doesn't feel much like a brag. OTOH, I just saw someone on facebook talk about how "No one can believe I'm in my 30s, everybody thinks I look ten years younger"
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Replying to @juliagalef @michael_nielsen
... Or to give another example, I saw someone else on facebook talk about how amazing he is at his job. Maybe there's a difference in affect between these and the "Yay, I got the job" example? These feel more smug, the job one feels more happy?
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Replying to @juliagalef @michael_nielsen
Or maybe the implied request is different: "Admire me" versus "Be happy for me" ?
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Replying to @juliagalef
That seems like a very useful model to clarify thought! Interesting to think about in a blended mode, too (sometimes people want both, in varying degrees). Overall, I'd like my friends to be more forthcoming about their successes. I think it'd make the world a happier place.
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Replying to @michael_nielsen @juliagalef
I wonder a bit about gender stereotypes. My sense is that there is a (weak) societal stereotype in favour of admiring men, and being happy for women. I wonder if that effects the type of thing people try to solicit?
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Replying to @michael_nielsen @juliagalef
I.e., men might be more likely to try to solicit admiration, simply because in their model that's more likely to be forthcoming; they perhaps think less about the possibility of other people being happy for them? (Very unsure of all this.)
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Replying to @michael_nielsen @juliagalef
Incidentally, this is one reason I was happy moving to the US. Australian culture is not good at celebrating people's successes in a healthy way. There's even a common term for this phenomenon: "tall poppy syndrome". The US is much better about this, IMO.
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Replying to @michael_nielsen @juliagalef
i wonder if there isn’t a selection effect comingling with national difference. mb “tall poppy syndrome” is really short poppy syndrome, people who perceive themselves as more troubled and less successful may have a more mixed response to “bragging” than the also successful?
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Gini estimates for the US are about 10 points higher than for Australia (and that matches my subjective impression - Aus seems to have far more equality than the US). That seems counter to what your suggestion implies?
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Replying to @michael_nielsen @juliagalef
it depends who you hang out with! my conjecture is that here, you may have filtered yourself into a more “successful” milieu than the one you may have acquired in a less professionally selective way growing up in Australia. so here you find yourself naturally among peers who all
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Replying to @interfluidity @juliagalef
I really want to agree with this. But... I noticed the cultural difference by far the most when I first moved from Aus to the US. I went from a first-rate University in a big city in Australia to a tiny city (Albuquerque) and a second-tier University (University of New Mexico).
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