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    michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 9 Mar 2018
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    New Zealand has a class of grants in which successful grants are (subject to some criteria) chosen at random: https://gateway.hrc.govt.nz/funding/researcher-initiated-proposals/2019-explorer-grants …pic.twitter.com/s7pC7NlS0k

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      2. Andrew Doherty‏ @AndrewDohertyQu 9 Mar 2018
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        I was unaware of this! Seems to be some evidence that this might be a good approach?

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      3. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 9 Mar 2018
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        What's the evidence?

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      1. Jackie Street‏ @JackieMStreet 10 Mar 2018
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        There are also great anecdotes of the failure of peer review to recognise an outstanding grant proposal: David Prescott’s grant related to the discovery of a novel form of DNA was initially rejected outright, http://www.nasonline.org/publications/biographical-memoirs/memoir-pdfs/prescott_david.pdf …

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      1. Peter Vee‏ @PeterVeep 9 Mar 2018
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        The US Federal Communications Commission once awarded mobile telecoms network licences this way. At least, this method is provably fair.

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      1. Phineas Gage‏ @RealPhineasGage 10 Mar 2018
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        @FQXi does the same thing for their minigrants

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      1. Daniel S. Katz‏ @danielskatz 9 Mar 2018
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        I guess this cuts down on the cost of reviewing them

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      1. Peter Williams‏ @peter_c_william 9 Mar 2018
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        Luck plays a big role in people's success in most endeavours https://arxiv.org/abs/1802.07068  so it makes sense to screen for luck. A seeded prng is a more scientific way of doing this than discarding half the applications for a grant unopened as we do now. This is the future.

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      1. Arun Shroff‏ @arunshroff 9 Mar 2018
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        They may be following the recommendations from this study that shows that random selection for funding can perform better than strategies based on the "naively meritocratic" approach.: https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/the-role-of-luck-in-life-success-is-far-greater-than-we-realized/ …

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      2. Arun M Krishnakumar‏ @arunkris95 9 Mar 2018
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        It just says that the random number generator ‘prioritizes the funding’ of the applications. Meaning that the _order_ of grant of funds is randomized, not the _choice_.

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      3. Aaron Docherty‏ @dochertyaaron 11 Mar 2018
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        All applications meeting certain criteria have an equal chance of being selected, so randomly pull applications out of a met-the-criteria bucket until it's empty. The choice is then made by random number generation.

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