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Searching for the numinous. Co-purveyor of https://quantum.country/ 

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    2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 12 Jan 2018
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      Yes… there’s still some proofs in high school geometry, I believe, but no real explanation of what a proof is and why you should care, so I suspect it’s totally forgotten at the end of the year

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    3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 12 Jan 2018
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      This. The significance and nature of proofs is not taught at school, and mostly not even understood by the teachers, because they don't understand the concept of epistemology.

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    5. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 12 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @puellavulnerata @Plinz @tehgeekmeister

      Right… and, unfortunately, I don’t think the MIT professors I had as a math undergraduate understood the issues involved at all well either. Anyway, were unwilling to discuss them!

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    6. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 12 Jan 2018
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      And then you ran into the @rodneyabrooks and he irrevocably burned your brain because you had no epistemological defenses against his embodimentalism and you despaired and because a Buddhist

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    7. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 12 Jan 2018
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      Just for the historical record, Phil Agre and I got embodiment from Lucy Suchman and Hubert Dreyfus. Rod came to it independently at the same time (as did Leslie Kaelbling & Stan Rosenschein).

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    8. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 12 Jan 2018
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      But “embodiment” mostly misses the point anyway. See this, from 1986:https://meaningness.com/metablog/abstract-emergent …

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    9. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 12 Jan 2018
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      This is very interesting; closer to the mark than much writing on embodiment, which often seems like wishful thinking. What of arguments like Chomsky's &, in a different domain, people like Dehaene: that there is substantial innate structure to support certain abstractions?

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    10. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 12 Jan 2018
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      I’m not exactly sure what you are asking? … I agree strongly that brains include evolved task-specific mechanisms, which constrain or at least strongly influence how we think

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      michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 12 Jan 2018
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      Ok. Reading the article it seemed to tacitly take the point of view of blank slateism. But I guess I misread it. (I'm also not yet finished; some of the sources are quite unfamiliar to me, and it's slow going.)

      1:32 PM - 12 Jan 2018
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        1. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 12 Jan 2018
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          Oh, very much not blank slateism! Quite the opposite, especially for the time. We were pioneers in drawing on detailed macro-scale neurophysiology. See http://ai2-s2-pdfs.s3.amazonaws.com/39df/6e1014cd27d11cecbf4d9ead4b0862708f49.pdf … for how I used results from visual neuroscience and experimental psychophysics

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