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    michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 19 Nov 2017
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    Phil Anderson on the idea that the end of science is approaching, and the rate of really major scientific discoveries is slowing down: https://web.archive.org/web/20110604132704/http://www.ualberta.ca/~massimob/personal/Why.html …pic.twitter.com/0touornvn6

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      2. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 24 Nov 2017
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        Replying to @TobiasAHuber

        I've read it. Very underwhelmed. The result of the paper is that in some fields it's taking more people to achieve the same rate of growth (unsurprising). They define "new ideas" as rate of growth per researcher. This definition makes little sense, as far as I can see.

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      3. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 24 Nov 2017
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        One amusing consequence of their definition: suppose I have an idea, I, that produces an increment of growth, Delta in, say, transistor density. If instead that idea had been invented 10 years later, no reason it would have produced the same increment,

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      4. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 24 Nov 2017
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        In other words, it makes their evaluation of ideas very strangely time-dependent. Of course, that's not the main point: the main point is that they don't make any serious argument for their definition.

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      2. Pablo GPS‏ @pablo_gps 19 Nov 2017
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        The first paragraph could be directly taken from the physicist community in the late 19th, early 20th century

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      3. Heart of Snarkness‏ @heartsnark 20 Nov 2017
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        That was my first thought, not even due to the "end of science" phrase, but just in general, due to the ever-changing ratios of number and scale of research efforts, society & economics, & culture. This is a cycle, albeit perhaps for different combinations of reasons each time.

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      2. dabacon‏ @dabacon 19 Nov 2017
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        Interesting take that computers can just be used to obtain more bits of precision. It is interesting to contemplate when computers have lead to surprise.

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      3. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 19 Nov 2017
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        Fun fact: quantum gate teleportation was discovered, in part, by numerical search. My memory - Ike may differ - is that Ike wrote a little program to brute force answer a question. He showed the solution to me, & I said "Oh, I can explain what's going on using teleportation..."

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      1. Stewart Martin-Haugh‏ @StewMH 20 Nov 2017
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        He certainly has a point about grant proposals: "The application consisted of a single sentence, ‘I require 10,000 marks’ and was fully funded."https://dirnagl.com/2014/01/14/otto-warburgs-research-grant/ …

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      1. Austen Lamacraft‏ @AustenLamacraft 20 Nov 2017
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        More like an expected result proved unexpectedly by a computer

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      1. Bryan 'Mr Peanutbutter' Simpson‏ @BrySimpson 20 Nov 2017
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        What kind of test could prove he's right about the rate of really major scientific discoveries slowing down?

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