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    1. Julia Galef‏Verified account @juliagalef 5 Apr 2017
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      Michael, do you have examples of truths arrived at through irrationality?

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    2. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 5 Apr 2017
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      An example I've mentioned before: Feynman, on the need to convince yourself of things which aren't true to make progress:pic.twitter.com/s9iRHMipjr

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    3. Julia Galef‏Verified account @juliagalef 6 Apr 2017
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      Yeah, I do think that "psyching yourself up" thing is an interesting edge case, kind of like suspension of disbelief to enjoy a movie...

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    4. Julia Galef‏Verified account @juliagalef 6 Apr 2017
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      I know lots of ppl who do this well, & it might be crucial if our motivational systems can't run on EV alone! But it feels like an edge case

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    5. Julia Galef‏Verified account @juliagalef 6 Apr 2017
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      i.e., temporary irrationality over the question, "How promising is my current project / line of inquiry?" feels like an edge case

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    6. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 6 Apr 2017
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      Replying to @juliagalef @willwilkinson and

      It's v. important in lots of science. In that example, Feynman is talking about believing something false for years, as his "edge"

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    7. Julia Galef‏Verified account @juliagalef 6 Apr 2017
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      Replying to @michael_nielsen @willwilkinson and

      Huh maybe we're just talking about different things: "innovation" is one project and "evaluation" is another, and I'm thinking of the latter

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    8. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 6 Apr 2017
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      I'm not sure. I think the examples you give, perhaps AI risk especially, are ones where we're still very ignorant.

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    9. Julia Galef‏Verified account @juliagalef 6 Apr 2017
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      And I claim there are many impactful decisions made on the basis of similarly inaccurate models

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    10. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 6 Apr 2017
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      Oh, I agree. I wasn't terribly clear. What I mean is that I see ....

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      michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 6 Apr 2017
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      leading AI experts (not so sure of AI risk) apparently usefully fool themselves in ways similar to the Feynman quote.

      10:00 PM - 6 Apr 2017
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        1. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 6 Apr 2017
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          Eg this amusing caricature of Geoff Hinton, made for the NIPS banquet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlXzufEk-2E …

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