michael_nielsen

have you seen any of the mobile “learn to code” tools? They are quite impressive and have dealt with most of interface issues. Check out mimo.

Yeah, they are great! But educational isn't the same as mainstream programming. I really hope we'll see some of the NoLowCode platforms enable building from mobile. My hypothesis for now is that it requires code to go away, and get replaced with higher-level abstractions.

I think you believe that a much higher degree of tooling is required to do programming than is actually necessary. Regardless, there really is no excuse for browser debugging tools to be absent on mobile browsers, even if you believe people aren’t *writing* code on them.

It's a good excuse, and simple business: Don't built tools people won't use. The web platform is application runtime, and should have clear separation tools and runtime. Tools should ship on the platforms where people author: Desktop + Tablets targeting mobile-first apps.

You realize this is the only use case where anyone is even entertaining the idea that people aren’t doing something on mobile because they intrinsically don’t want to rather than it just hasn’t been enabled by the vendors?

Not sure we are talking about the same thing. There's a significant difference between "targeting mobile" and "authoring on mobile". I'm talking about targeting mobile from desktop-class-devices, and I agree with @slightlylate that we should build tools that this by default.

I'm yet to see developers wanting to build apps and websites from scratch on mobile devices, and I don't think this is caused by lack of traditional devtools, but by the interaction model with no keyboard, etc. GitHub, Glitch, CodeSandbox, and others should be good proxies.

You’ve yet to see it because it’s literally impossible because browser don’t ship any tools to enable it. You can pair a bluetooth keyboard to a mobile device BTW.