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Searching for the numinous. Co-purveyor of https://quantum.country/ 

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    1. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Sep 25
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      Replying to @michael_nielsen @ArtirKel @danielgross

      But they weren't serious. Of course, I may be quite wrong about the current book. But all I can say is: the reviews mostly didn't make me want to spend the time reading it. I mentally bucketed it under:

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    2. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Sep 25
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      Replying to @michael_nielsen @ArtirKel @danielgross

      "may be useful for learning about _how_ & _why_ to sleep better, won't help much in explaining why sleep happens."

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    3. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Sep 25
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      Replying to @michael_nielsen @ArtirKel @danielgross

      This is a somewhat uncomfortable thread to be writing. It's began with a throwaway joke from my point of view. I don't regard my own point of view above as especially serious or well-founded. It's just how I arrived at my priors, and may be wrong.

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    4. José Luis Ricón (Artir)‏ @ArtirKel Sep 25
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      Replying to @michael_nielsen @danielgross

      I see, then I'll have to look for these other explanations and make the case to you in a way you find convincing :-p I might email you at some point then

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    5. Patrick Collison‏Verified account @patrickc Sep 25
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      Replying to @ArtirKel @michael_nielsen @danielgross

      I think MN means something like "why couldn't humans have evolved to not sleep?" And even if it's not what he meant, that's what I'd love to understand. :-)

      2 replies 2 retweets 19 likes
    6. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Sep 25
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      Replying to @patrickc @ArtirKel @danielgross

      That's a substantial part of it! So many weird physiological changes (& multiple sleep states); the claimed benefits could plausibly be achieved in less costly ways, that didn't involve debilitating us for a third of the day.

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    7. Curt Fischer‏ @fischer_cr Sep 25
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      Replying to @michael_nielsen @patrickc and

      Sleep or things like it are pretty conserved in nearly all vertebrates and even most chordates. So maybe "Why do central nervous systems sleep?" is a better question/paper title.

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    8. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Sep 25
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      Yes, that would be better!

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    9. José Luis Ricón (Artir)‏ @ArtirKel Sep 25
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      Replying to @michael_nielsen @fischer_cr and

      The plot thickens: Even animals without CNS sleep https://www.nature.com/news/jellyfish-caught-snoozing-give-clues-to-origin-of-sleep-1.22654 … ; if true, sleep is an individual need of neurons, (As argued here https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3972489/ … and being explicitly explored by Giulio Tononi http://grantome.com/grant/NIH/P01-NS083514-01A1 … )

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    10. Curt Fischer‏ @fischer_cr Sep 25
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      Replying to @ArtirKel @michael_nielsen and

      That's awesome, thanks for the link. (And if anyone wants to drug jellyfish with modafinil and see what happens to the metabolome, let me know!)

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      michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Sep 25
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      Replying to @fischer_cr @ArtirKel and

      I'm only surprised @gwern doesn't already have a page cross-comparing the results in different invertebrate species 😀

      2:35 PM - 25 Sep 2019
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