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    1. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Sep 25
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      Replying to @michael_nielsen @ArtirKel @danielgross

      But they weren't serious. Of course, I may be quite wrong about the current book. But all I can say is: the reviews mostly didn't make me want to spend the time reading it. I mentally bucketed it under:

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    2. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Sep 25
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      Replying to @michael_nielsen @ArtirKel @danielgross

      "may be useful for learning about _how_ & _why_ to sleep better, won't help much in explaining why sleep happens."

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    3. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Sep 25
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      Replying to @michael_nielsen @ArtirKel @danielgross

      This is a somewhat uncomfortable thread to be writing. It's began with a throwaway joke from my point of view. I don't regard my own point of view above as especially serious or well-founded. It's just how I arrived at my priors, and may be wrong.

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    4. José Luis Ricón (Artir)‏ @ArtirKel Sep 25
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      Replying to @michael_nielsen @danielgross

      I see, then I'll have to look for these other explanations and make the case to you in a way you find convincing :-p I might email you at some point then

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    5. Patrick Collison‏Verified account @patrickc Sep 25
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      Replying to @ArtirKel @michael_nielsen @danielgross

      I think MN means something like "why couldn't humans have evolved to not sleep?" And even if it's not what he meant, that's what I'd love to understand. :-)

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    6. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Sep 25
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      Replying to @patrickc @ArtirKel @danielgross

      That's a substantial part of it! So many weird physiological changes (& multiple sleep states); the claimed benefits could plausibly be achieved in less costly ways, that didn't involve debilitating us for a third of the day.

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    7. Curt Fischer‏ @fischer_cr Sep 25
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      Sleep or things like it are pretty conserved in nearly all vertebrates and even most chordates. So maybe "Why do central nervous systems sleep?" is a better question/paper title.

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    8. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Sep 25
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      Yes, that would be better!

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    9. José Luis Ricón (Artir)‏ @ArtirKel Sep 25
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      Replying to @michael_nielsen @fischer_cr and

      Well, maybe I'll have to write an answer that will satisfy you now that I know how you like your answers! :)

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    10. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Sep 25
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      Replying to @ArtirKel @fischer_cr and

      :-) Keep in mind that the question of "what makes a good explanation" is... really complicated. Good theories tend to have a lot of internal validity; they often create much of the conceptual ground we use to evaluate them.

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      michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Sep 25
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      The example that comes to mind - I don't know how helpful this is! - is general covariance in general relativity. After the fact it seemed obvious that this is a wonderful property for a theory of gravity to have, & in some sense evidence for GR. But it was also part of the

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        2. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Sep 25
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          chain of reasoning that led to GR. Not difficult to think of other examples like this in other parts of science. (One I perpetually find amusing is energy conservation. It keeps being true, despite the fact that the meaning of "energy" changes radically from theory to theory!)

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        3. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Sep 25
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          Replying to @michael_nielsen @ArtirKel and

          All by way of saying that I tend to think of explanation-evaluation as something that can only be done after the fact, since good explanations often create much of the conceptual ground we need to say they are good. (Darwin is another great example!)

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        1. José Luis Ricón (Artir)‏ @ArtirKel Sep 25
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          Replying to @michael_nielsen @fischer_cr and

          Sounds like something that Sabine may dislike, but deep down I tend to agree with you on that. Same for Noether's theorem in general. It feels like a universal truth that -must be so- or else it's kind of irrational.

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