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Searching for the numinous. Co-purveyor of https://quantum.country/ 

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    1. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Sep 18
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      One particularly amusing thing: consider the numbers 132 and 123. The 2 actually has a very different meaning in those two numbers. The fact that _location matters_ is a deep idea.

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    2. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Sep 18
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      (I've glossed over 0 in various ways in this account. And over the fact that place-number system pre-dated the romans. If I was more conscientious I'd have talked more about these - they're incredibly deep ideas - but this thread is already long, so I'll keep glossing.)

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    3. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Sep 18
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      At this point we have a new numeral system. It's nice in a couple of ways when compared to roman numerals - it doesn't need new symbols to represent larger numbers, and it's extremely compact.

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    4. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Sep 18
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      Still, those things perhaps don't seem that important. Certainly not worth replacing an entire piece of intellectual infrastructure with!

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    5. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Sep 18
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      But where this number system really shines is in simplifying certain other things you might want to do. For instance, consider addition of the numbers wx and yz.

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    6. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Sep 18
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      We have wx + yz = (w*10+x) + (y*10+z) = (w+y)*10 + (x+z). Fiddle with this for a while - it's more work than I want to go through here - and you eventually recover the grade school algorithm for adding two-digit numbers. Do some more work, & you get the n-digit algorithm.

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    7. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Sep 18
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      There's a miracle going on here, one we don't notice b/c it's so familiar: I pointed out above that the numerals have very different meanings, depending on their location. But despite this, in the grade-school algorithm we use the _same rules_ for addition, regardless of place!

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    8. Carlos Scheidegger‏ @scheidegger Sep 18
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      notation is beautiful magic like that. Every once in a while I marvel at the ingenuity of replacing (((a + b) + c) + d) with a + b + c + d; the _writing_ process wants + to be associative. (1/2)

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    9. Carlos Scheidegger‏ @scheidegger Sep 18
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      I think that's the same principle at play with arabic numerals: writing it out and looking at it helps with the mechanics. so, "to go from romans to arabics", I think it starts by dropping V, L, and D from the system, and seeing that IIIIIIIIII -> X, XXXXXXXXXX -> C is "the same"

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    10. Carlos Scheidegger‏ @scheidegger Sep 18
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      it's a stretch, but I believe a smart Roman would notice that multiplying a number by X in this system is "copy the letters, then increase their 'denominations'", and go from there. (i suppose this also requires 9 to be IIIIIIIII instead of IX) 3/2

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      michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Sep 18
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      I explored this possibility a bit in my notes. It gets pretty messy, but might provide an alternate path.

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