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    1. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Sep 18
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      There's a miracle going on here, one we don't notice b/c it's so familiar: I pointed out above that the numerals have very different meanings, depending on their location. But despite this, in the grade-school algorithm we use the _same rules_ for addition, regardless of place!

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    2. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Sep 18
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      E.g., in computing 27+38 at some point in the computation we'll use 2+3 = 5; in computing 72+83 at some point we'll also use 2+3=5. That's despite the fact that the 2 and the 3 in the first sum have a very different meaning than in the second sum!

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    3. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Sep 18
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      What's responsible for this astonishing fact? If you look back at the reasoning above, you see it's a consequence of associativity, commutativity, and distributivity. That's a pretty huge set of things! And it makes addition _really_ nice in this representation.

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    4. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Sep 18
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      In particular, it means that although the numerals have different meanings in different locations, in many ways they continue to _behave_ as though they are in some sense "the same". They're _not_ the same. But they retain many of the same affordances, in modern interface lingo.

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    5. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Sep 18
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      You can go through the same kind of thing, trying to figure out how to multiply two numbers: wx*yz = (w*10+x)*(y*10+z) = x*y*10*10 + ... I won't go through it, but you can guess what happens: you get the grade-school algorithm for multiplication.

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    6. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Sep 18
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      And, again, even though the numerals have very different meanings in different positions, they have a lot of the same affordances, and so behave in some ways as the "same" object.

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    7. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Sep 18
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      You can go through this with long division. Same story.

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    8. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Sep 18
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      At this point this new numeral system looks vastly superior to roman numerals. It's exploiting all this structure to get compact representations, which don't require new symbols, & which exploit deep properties of numbers to simplify addition, multiplication, & division. Amazing!

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    9. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Sep 18
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      I'm far from an expert on the history of mathematics or its representations. The story above is unrealistic in many ways. Still, I think it gives at least a hint of the incredible mathematical and design insight required to invent arabic numerals.

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    10. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Sep 18
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      And, of course, this story requires many incredible earlier insights: words, the alphabet, various ideas about multiplication and addition, and so on.

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      michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Sep 18
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      To finish, a fun question: is there some way to improve still further on arabic numerals? I believe the answer is almost certainly yes! But that's a thread for another day.

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        2. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Sep 18
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          A few addenda: (1) as lots of people have pointed out, it'd have been more accurate to name them Hindu-Arabic numerals; (2) the ancient Greeks seem to have known much of this (which I didn't know);

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        3. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Sep 18
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          (3) the ancient Babylonians ditto (which I did know - it was meant as a thought experiment about discovery and lines of insight, not history); (4) @DavidDeutschOxf has a lovely discussion of number systems in chapter 6 of "The Beginning of Infinity".

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        4. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Sep 18
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          (5) Via @CXGonzalez_, a paper arguing that for educated romans, the computational difficulty of working with roman numerals was comparable to us working with Hindu-Arabic: http://csjarchive.cogsci.rpi.edu/Proceedings/2008/pdfs/p2097.pdf …

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        5. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Sep 19
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          (6) I haven't published anything specifically on improving Hindu-Arabic numerals. But here's some related work inspired in part by that problem: on "Magic Paper" (new interfaces for mathematics) http://cognitivemedium.com/magic_paper/index.html …

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        6. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Sep 19
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          "Toward an Exploratory Medium for Mathematics" (on developing a logic of heuristic discovery, to underly creative exploration) http://cognitivemedium.com/emm/emm.html 

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        7. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Sep 19
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          And "Thought as a Technology" (about the idea that we internalize the interfaces we use as part of our thinking; interface designers actually help us think new thoughts): http://cognitivemedium.com/tat/index.html 

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        2. Craig Gidney‏ @CraigGidney Sep 18
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          A bad example that I tried once was to represent a number using an integer coefficient polynomial that had it as a root. Unfortunately, it's quite difficult to add in this representation, though still possible!, without leaving it by solving for the rootshttp://twistedoakstudios.com/blog/Post6871_impractical-experiments-1-representing-numbers-as-polynomials …

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        3. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Sep 18
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          Fun idea!

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        2. Craig Gidney‏ @CraigGidney Sep 18
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          An example of a specialized improvement is the representation used in a carry save adder. In this representation addition can be done in parallel in constant depth.

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        3. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Sep 18
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          Good point!

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