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    1. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Aug 28
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      michael_nielsen Retweeted Feross  🧙🏼‍♂️ ✨

      Wonderful thoughtful article on open source funding, by @feross. We're in an unfortunate state where many companies rely heavily on open source to extract sizeable profits (which in general I am fine with, TBC), but the people writing open source often struggle (this seems bad)https://twitter.com/feross/status/1166924812129722368 …

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      Feross  🧙🏼‍♂️ ✨ @feross
      I’m ending the `npm install funding` experiment I introduced a few days ago. I appreciate the thoughtful discussion and feedback from the community. I shared some thoughts about how the experiment went from my perspective: https://feross.org/funding-experiment-recap/ …
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    2. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Aug 28
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      There's a nice phrase @timoreilly uses: "creating [far] more value than you capture". Healthy companies do this, while making a reasonable return. But open source authors often capture almost none of the (enormous) value they can create.

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    3. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Aug 28
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      It'd be good to find ways for open source authors to capture more of that value, while retaining all the benefits of open source. @feross's essay is a great thoughtful survey of the problem!

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      michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Aug 28
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      This comment here points to a massive, massive failure of the invisible hand.pic.twitter.com/vwpAJ96XXH

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        2. Konrad Hinsen‏ @khinsen Aug 28
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          Replying to @michael_nielsen

          I suspect that for an old-school economist of the "invisible hand" era, the main question would be why anybody actually does maintain open source projects without payment.

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        3. Steven Bock‏ @dabockster Aug 31
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          A large number of people in tech are under 30. So it's entirely possible that they've simply never considered this flip side to releasing a bunch of code online under the same licenses that the big players use (MIT License). We're taught to write algorithms but not the side stuff

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        1. jestem króliczkiem‏ @karlicoss Aug 28
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          it's still impressive how much software has been and being developed just 'for fun' with no monetary incentives, in programmers spare time. Only other area I can think of where situation is similar are arts (in the the classic sense, e.g. music, writing etc)

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        1. Karthik Jagadeesan‏ @caliphjakub Aug 28
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          The invisible hand only works if the solution provider (the open source maintainer) provides his solution in return for a price as determined by the market. Open source work currently exists outside traditional markets, and suffers from massive 'free-rider' problems.

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        2. swyx  🔜 CDS + @NoCodeConf‏ @swyx Aug 31
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          i struggle with how this can be fixed. On one hand, Stallman and @dhh would say that there is no point trying to capture value from FOSS, goes against the grain. On the other, we deal with tragedy of the commons all the time, with centralized funding and allocation.

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        3. swyx  🔜 CDS + @NoCodeConf‏ @swyx Aug 31
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          Yet most proposals ive seen are badly flawed, biasing toward old packages and maintainers with high package count. Gitcoin overindexes on extrinsic motivation. @transitive_bs has had chats with @devonzuegel and YC about solutions. nothing solid yet.

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        1. Andrew Stepner‏ @andrewstepner Aug 29
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          Why is it “far less beneficial to society”?

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        1. Ulterior  🏔️‏ @boleroo Sep 1
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          The current system does not fit the open source model. There lies an opportunity for creative destruction.

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